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Guess what? Movies, along with music and TV, can have an impact on young people and teach them about a lot of things, whether that's the movie's intention or not. You're probably right that most "bromance" dudes won't think that date rape is funny, but some kids out there will watch the scene and think "oh okay if I take a chick out on a date and get her reallly drunk, then maybe it's ok if I fuck her!"
They also take murder, physical assault, flashing, robbery, alcoholism, bipolar disorder and drug abuse lightly... arguably more lightly than date rape. Why is no one complaining about that? Is date rape worse than all of these? Why is it okay to have jokes about those, but not date rape?
and yes, many people do complain about excess violence in movies (and videogames), there are even organizations dedicated to censoring violence and rape and abuse in movies and videogames. I am always coming across articles everyday from people decrying rape, mysogyny and violence in hip hop music as well.
it's just that YOU decided to ignore them while discussing date rape in this article.
I didn't choose to ignore all these organziations you talked about because I'm making a straw-man argument. I ignored them because they're irrelevant to the discussion of people wanting an apology from Seth Rogen for the scene. I haven't heard any of these groups complain about O&R... just people barking on and on about the date rape scene.
Again, why is the date rape scene worse than anything else in that movie?
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This commented has been moderated for language. Sorry, you can't use that word.
Maybe I'm wrong?
second answer:
No, because unfortunately, many actors and musicians are seen as role models, under the constant spotlight in the media, so there is pressure for them to be "good role models" for their fans.
You know who "good role models" are? Parents or at least they are supposed to be. When I first got to watch R rated action flicks with my dad back in the day there was never a time that I saw some one getting mowed down with gun fire that I thought "man this guy is who is shooting everyone is a good role model time to go pick up a gun". You know why I never thought that? You guessed it my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong, and played the role of being a good role model.
Look, man, I'm not offended by that scene, BUT I can see why some others are offended by it.
A) Finished 4th at the box office
B) Was not even funny
With all due respect to Courtney (I'm sure she and I agree on many things) there are bigger fish to fry sort of speak and Seth Rogen is not one. This film is rated R if children see it, then they have sh*tty parents, which is the real source of the world's problems. Sh*tty parents
You would be surprised how some people actually think that an actor IS really like a fictional character from a movie or TV show (but most especially with TV shows if an actor has a recurring role)
I think it's the "y".
You know who "good role models" are? Parents or at least they are supposed to be. When I first got to watch R rated action flicks with my dad back in the day there was never a time that I saw some one getting mowed down with gun fire that I thought "man this guy is who is shooting everyone is a good role model time to go pick up a gun". You know why I never thought that? You guessed it my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong, and played the role of being a good role model.
Ronnie is bipolar. Brandi is the object of his obession. He's impaired by involuntary mental illness, she by voluntary inebriation. It' doesn't make sense to blame him, especially since there's a jumpcut.
What I do find disturbing is the uneven depiction of an obsessive bipolar personality. I am not a mental health professional, but that bothered me. Ironically, I can't find any search results taking filmmakers to task over that aspect, just a lot of excessive hot air over the alleged date rape scene.
It's all just too much. Just last week I got a damn ticket after I got out of 'Four Fast Four Furious' because get this...the police officer said I couldn't drive 93mph in a school zone! Yeah, I know. I'll let you all know how my lawsuit against Paul Walker and Vin Deisel goes.
I love you for this, Kevin.
Also, I think Anna Faris's "why are you stopping" question during the scene implied that the sex was consensual.
I wonder what that woman in the video would say if Ronnie was drunk as well. Would he be a rapist? Afterall, consent is impossible while intoxicated.
And that's none of these industries' faults. Call it bad parenting, a sad lack of social consciousness, or whatever you want, but these industries can make what they want. As a society, it's our right to embrace them or not, but they shouldn't have to tiptoe around or apologize for any of it. Date rape in real life isn't funny, date rape in a drama isn't supposed to be funny but may or may not be, depending on how well it's written, directed, or acted, date rape in a comedy is supposed to be funny but may or may not be, depending on how well it's written, directed, or acted.
If something bothers you, don't see it, warn your family and friends about it, hell, stage a protest, but don't demand an apology. As Kevin said, "It's just a movie."
But lots of shitty and unethical things happen in movies and I don't think the actors, directors, writers, or producers are trying to encourage any of that.
I'm all for equal rights (and obviously date rape or any kind of rape or sexual assault isn't cool) but this is just crazy. It's a stereotypical 'feminist' with the 'i have a vagina and he has a penis therefore he's WRONG WRONG WRONG AND MUST BE STOPPED' outlook.
Sorry fembots but children aren't quite the morons you make them out to be. I mean when i was a kid watching bugs bunny I didn't think 'hey I wish I could launch myself out of a giant cannon lets go build one and do it'
I mean do you honestly believe some kid is going to watch this movie and then when he's at a party years later look at some drunk chick and think 'well that movie i saw starring Seth Rogan when i was 11 said it was ok so lets go for it!'
IF you honestly and truly believe THAT is at all a likely senario please, get your phonebook, look up the number for your local psychiatrist and book a few sessions.
P.S.--Don't go to Fisting.com.....NSFW, fo sho.
"When we're having sex and she's unconscious like you can literally feel the audience thinking, like, how the fuck are they going to make this okay? Like, what can possibly be said or done that I'm not going to walk out of the movie theater in the next thirty seconds? . . . And then she says, like, the one thing that makes it all okay:
BRANDI: "Why are you stopping, motherfucker?""
Also, "stereotypically homely"? What the hell?