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Film School Rejects: WonderCon 2009: One Update to Ruin Them All

  • RobertFure · 8 months ago
    I was wearing a slinky little number and dressed as Jessica Rabbit. Meeooow.

    Also, all cons need more hot chicks dressed as Wonder Woman.
  • Matt Bacon · 8 months ago
    I was at all of the movie panels. I even asked a question at the Up panel. I also agree about the deaf advocacy groups. They said the same exact thing in EACH panel SAME THING! It was annoying. Sorry deaf people, but whining doesn't help get you equal rights...
  • dontgetmestarted · 8 months ago
    "Finally, where were Monster v Aliens? X-Men Origins: Wolverine? Where the Wild Things Are? Sherlock Holmes? Ninja Assassin? Avatar? Year One? Funny People? GI Joe? Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen? The Wolfman? Franklyn? Land of the Lost? 2012? Game? Surrogates? Kick-Ass?"

    Dude. Not Wondercon's fault. That blame lays squarely on the studio's shoulders. Don't even get me STARTED on Fox.

    Say what you will about the lack of hot women at this year's con...there were A LOT of good looking men. San Francisco is apparently a haven for hot hipster geeks. Don't know what that was about.

    Totally agree about McG. His shtick was charming the 1st 80 times I heard it...now? It's a little old.

    And my only problem with the Watchmen stuff was a. Why have a screening at midnight? WHY? So they could advertise it as starting at 11:55 when it started 15 minutes late anyway? No go, Warners. And also, why bring the entire cast if you are only gonna allow 10 minutes of Q&A?

    Dissing Eddie Ibrahim? Really? The guy is a sweetheart and works his ass off, come on, there's no reason for insulting him for doing his job. That speech has existed as long as people filming exclusive footage and putting it on the internet has existed. It's necessary.

    And why should a pay stub be a requirement for someone to be considered worthy of an interview? A pay stub means you are getting paid to be there. Not having one means you are heading somewhere on your own dime to write something up and work really hard for nothing in return. Just because you love this stuff and you want to provide a unique perspective if possible. What's with the entitlement issues? Especially in a fan world that is now run by bloggers/fansites/the internet?

    It was just extremely odd to see this update as I thought it was a great Wondercon. It wasn't draining or overly crowded like NYCC or Comic Con. Great dealer's room, great talent, great footage, great crowd response.

    What's all this REALLY about? Didn't get tickets to something or get an interview with someone? Cause I'm not buying it.
  • Rob_Hunter · 8 months ago
    Your response is pretty much an expected one, so here's a quick rebuttal.

    1) I realize the film selection is due mostly to the studios decisions, and I think I acknowledged that by saying they're sending the same movies to every convention. 2) Again, as I said above, I agree with the content of Ibrahim's speech. It's his ridiculous catering towards and apparent concern only for the big studios that I find annoying. 3) The pay stub idea was just that, an idea. But do you really think anyone with an url and a business card should get the label of "press?" Anyone can go home and write up their thoughts on a blog... not everyone should do so under the blanket label of "journalist." I'm not being elitist here, as I said above any new rules could possibly prevent me from gaining press credentials. The point is there should be some line of demarcation, because otherwise what's the point?

    And that's what this is REALLY about. For the record, I enjoyed last year's WonderCon and the exclusives they had to offer including the first con appearance of Duchovny and Anderson (X-Files) so I'm not simply hating on conventions. I just think they should either cut back on the number of cons, or the studios should plan better and provide more movies and panels.

    Thanks for reading!
  • dontgetmestarted · 8 months ago
    You know, I think a lot of the problem here really does stem from New York Comic Con being only a couple weeks before Wondercon. It's the first and only time something like that has happened. Cause let's say NYCC wasn't in February - most of us wouldn't have heard that McG speech yet again (except for those of us who went to the roadshow), we wouldn't have already seen the Knowing/Astroboy footage, we wouldn't have already seen the first half of Up, we wouldn't have already seen the beginning of Watchmen (again, except for those of us who went to the roadshow) and so on. It's difficult to have exclusives when another big convention was literally 2 weeks before.

    But Wondercon DID have things NYCC didn't have - 9, Star Trek, Pandorum, more panelists for Alien Trespass & Terminator, etc.

    As a HUGE Ben Foster fan, I LOVED that he was there for Pandorum and I trust that he only picks great material, so his presence plus the cool footage got me really excited. I don't understand why that isn't being covered more. Like, I've read about Terminator how many times, but nothing on the cool smaller movie? And so far I've only seen one write up on the Chuck panel, one of the best of the convention? If supposedly the place was filled with random bloggers...where's the coverage on the things that WEREN'T Trek, Terminator & Watchmen?

    For the record, I think Fox blew a HUGE opportunity here. It was their last chance to have a substantial panel before the movie opens. Why didn't they have the new mutants on a panel? That would have been AMAZING.

    But for what the studios decided to offer, I thought Wondercon was great and isn't quite deserving of so much hate. Did you get to do the floor? Because that was the best dealer's room experience I've had since Comic Con in the mid to late 90s. You could actually MOVE!!!! And I walked away with some really amazing & well priced stuff. The convention is about a lot more than "Hollywood" and my problem with the...hollywoodization of conventions in general is that everything else seems to be forgotten. I mean, Michael Chabon and Matt Fraction were on a panel together! For some odd reason, the cosplay at Wondercon was FAR superior to cosplay I've seen at most of the other conventions!

    Anyway, I'll shut up now. These conventions are close to my heart, what can I say.
  • Rob_Hunter · 8 months ago
    Hi again don't. May I call you don't?

    You don't have to shut up now, you actually make some great points. I do have a piece coming up later this week on Pandorum and Alien Trespass... I'm waiting for the Pandorum trailer due in the next couple of days. I love Foster and the trailer looked interesting, but I didn't love it (or hate it) like everything else in the post above so it was cut.

    Like I said, I've really enjoyed conventions in the past and I plan to again in the future. This one just didn't do it for me. Thanks for being reasonable and intelligent with your criticism.
  • ComicSense · 8 months ago
    In response to your response: 1) Not everyone goes to every convention and they might want to see stuff first hand as well. Rather then read about it online. I was at the Watchman panel, and I was pretty happy they had it with the cast in attendance. (Unlike NYCC) There were thousands of other people pretty happy as well, and a lot of disappointed people that couldn't get in. If you attended the panel maybe you should have given your seat up to someone that appreciated being there.
    3) You are right, anyone can go home and write a blog and get press credentials. But who are you to say they are not press. At one time this website wouldn’t be considered press, and to be honest your post sounds like a blogger wrote it not a journalist. If you paid the 30 bucks like I did for my pass, maybe I would feel for you. But why should press be treated any different then me (someone who paid). I'm the person that reads your website and in a way pays your bills (if you are getting paid)
  • Comic Sense · 8 months ago
    4) Show some respect to the people that organize these events. They bust their ass to make it enjoyable not just for you but for everyone. And singling out the Director of Programming is just not cool. It is one thing to have legitimate complaints but yours don’t all sound that way. Not enough hot women, your at a comic book convention, at one time there weren't any women, so be happy that it has come this far. Smelly people, well you have a point, there is just no excuse for not taking a shower. The whole celebrity thing, you’re right they are contracted to do these types of events but they shouldn't have to listen to a question on whether someone can get a kiss. I don't want to hear that. And finally the news, there is a ton of news about Wondercon. Maybe it is stuff you already heard but some people didn't. I think the event is for fans not press,
  • Aleric · 8 months ago
    I get so tired of hearing this response to conventions. Unless these are free events then the person who drops $30 and up to attend is a customer and as such has the right to bitch and complain if they didn't feel they got their moneys worth.

    I have personally helped to run several conventions and been on the planning staff of others and let me say that regardless of how good or bad the Con was depended on the staff and how well they did or did not do their jobs. When we did a good job we were congratulated but when it went bad we heard about it and rightly so. How else do you get better without knowing what to fix?
  • ComicSense · 8 months ago
    Yes, people do have a right to complain. But don’t blast a convention because your little man couldn't get a rise from the women at the event. Maybe this complaint would have merit at the AVN Expo. __There are legitimate complaints, like the main panel room was too small, the ATM machines weren't working, and the fact that press thought they were special and kept trying to get in the front of the line. Press got in free, so I think their complaints should have a little more substance, especially if they are going to write about it for everyone to read.__
  • RobertFure · 8 months ago
    What it's really about? Rejects live for EXCITEMENT and ADVENTURE. If I'm not body checking Ghostbusters and faceplanting Anime Characters every time I shove my way up an escalator while waiting on Rose McGowan to show up for a 4 minute press conference, I'm not happy.
  • Cole_Abaius · 8 months ago
    I wouldn't battle with Hunter over doing things on his own dime.

    That being said, it's really frustrating to go to an event where "press" badges are handed out to anyone who asks for one. Comic-Con comes to mind. There's a difference between fans and press despite some want to be a blurring line. "Press passes" at these events mean nothing.
  • Rob_Hunter · 8 months ago
    You are my role model Fure.
  • Will Lopez · 8 months ago
    Dude, did they make you pay for your ticket or did they not let you into the Watchmen screening, that you sound so mad? These are the films I wanted to hear about. Wolverine would have been great too but so be it. I thought it was a great show. Everyone there was happy. And what were you expecting from Eddie the programming guy? None of these celebrities except for McG showed up at NYCC so your opinion that they have to go is obviously wrong. So why shouldn't Eddie talk it up and thank the celebrities who show up? I'm glad they showed up. No offense but you sound like a pissed off little blogger not like a legit writer. Smarter analysis would be good. You guys should look for more professional writers from, oh I don't know, maybe 1UP.
  • Eve · 8 months ago
    While I agree it's simple enough to get a press badge, I don't think it affects anyone that so many are given out so easily, considering that all that badge does is get you into the Con for free. There's no press room and it doesn't give you an kind of exclusive access to anything/anyone. It's up to you to contact the studio for interviews (OR, they will contact you), so while the badge with it's green Press banner on it is fancy looking and all, it doesn't get you anything special (unless somehow there's perks I don't know about).

    I also don't think Watchmen took space away from any other movie. I think there was plenty of room for other movies -- had those movies wanted to be included, but I don't think they did. It's like the way Star Trek has purposely not done any Cons until this one (not sure why they picked this one though). I thought there wasn't much to cover at WonderCon, but even though I already say the Watchmen panel at NYCC, I still enjoyed the WC panel and seeing the first 20 minutes of the film again. I think Warner Bros in part still trying to show people why they should give Watchmen a chance; on for those of us who already are on board, it's a big draw -- people WANT to see Watchmen footage and get a chance to ask the cast questions.

    I think you're approaching the Con from your movie reporter viewpoint and regardless of how many livejournal bloggers had press badges, the majority of attendees are NOT going there to provide "coverage" like we are and have not already seen these panels at other Cons. Many years ago before I started doing my site, when I went to Cons, I never thought of what was "missing" but was just happy to soak in what was offered up. There was no "searching" for a story in an otherwise non-news panel and a lot more time was spent just having a good time on the Con floor. How many attendees were there thinking "Hey, where's the Sherlock Holmes" panel? I doubt the average attendee really even has most of the movies you mentioned on their radar (at least not at the forefront of their mind).
  • Adam_Sweeney · 8 months ago
    Next year I will go with you, Rob. We will wreak havoc on that bitch like none other, unless it redeems itself. I agree that 9 and Terminator: Salvation both have my interest.