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But...after seeing it a second time I have to say that my attitude changed somewhat. I do still feel that the movie was over hyped.
I HATE it when marketing folks try to tie a movie to any product on the shelves or find a way to stuff it in some kid's Happy Meal even though the movie's theme has absolutely nothing to do with it thematically.
"Try new Domino's 'Gotham City Pizza'!" (Seriously, W.T.F?)
"Get the 'Dark Knight' Bobbleheads!" ("The Dark Knight" is a kid's movie?)
I think stupid tie-ins like these tend to dullen the effect of a film. Think about it, would you be as scared of "The Exorcist" if you were inundated by ads for "Exorcist"-flavored Cap'n Crunch with pea-green milk coloring for months before it was released?
And Two-Face... well, he's a man that does wrong. Imagine if he showed up in the third and Gotham finally sees what their white knight has become; The Joker continues to terrorize the city from the padded cell (and inspired criminals?), the citizens of Gotham lose the hope that was left. Their forced to turn to a man they cannot trust (one that kills 6 people--including 2 cops); Batman, a masked vigilante to restore faith and order, The Caped Crusader.
that plays over the Joker is right up there.
I also agree that exploding Rachel Dawes was a good move!
It was also nice to see that scarecrow is alive and kicking.
1) Maggie G.'s first scene she is borderline giddy. Way too happy. Now I'm sure this is a complaint against the script and not her acting but It was just a shock to see her so happy, Her character barely cracked a smile in the entire first movie. Her character just seemed way to serious for this, I get that she was happy but come on.
2) The bat sonar city wide cell phone thing. I'm not sure I need to say more but I found this really lame. Not only that it existed but that when it started to have problems it blinded Batman, what theres no off switch? Thank god they destroyed it.
3) Dogs. Yes dogs! We have Batman getting his ass kicked by dogs twice in this movie. You'd think after the first time he'd think to carry some dog repellent...ya I know one step away from bat shark repellent but it's just common sense.
Oh and one thing that is going to be really awesome in the next movie. The tumbler was destroyed so Batman gets a new ride, sweet!!!!!!!!!!
As for Rachel Dawes. To quote the author:
"I just couldn’t get into her on any level."
Apparently neither could Batman.
It was wise of him to save a potential great villain over a boring girlfriend.
He said "You think I wanna escape from this?! There is no escape from this!" when they were at the warehouse. He intended on dying I think. I mean, I don't think he would make a very good villain for another movie because he still thought he was kind of doing the right thing when he got revenge for Rachel. If he did anything else, it'd be out of character. I think it's a good thing they made a clean slate for the next movie. Harvey was a good guy deep down inside. He was just confused and hurt. I think he just wanted to rest knowing that he had avenged Rachel.
Firstly, the "Batlash"/hype. Is that something the movie should be blamed for? I mean by
saying that this is #3 of the 5 things you "Disliked" about the movie, is that fair to the
filmmakers or the movie? I don't think so. Try this, if you take out everything that was
said about the movie starting with the very first review and leave only what Warner Bros.
have given, does it meet your expectations then? The filmmakers don't plan for the hype
in pre-production or anything and we shouldn't judge their product based on it. I
understand it's hard to go into a movie, especially one like this, open minded because of
all the reviews and hype, but if you don't and you base everything on one's opinion,
you're doing a great injustice to the movie.
Lastly, the run time. Personally, it didn't affect me as much as it did some people. I think
these summer movies are longer because it is in fact summer. Most people don't really
have a schedule the next day, so they can afford to stay up a little later or sleep in the
next day. I didn't notice the run time and, in fact, I wanted more the first time I saw it. I
remember late last year when There Will Be Blood came out and people came to its rescue
saying that it wasn't too long and that, artistically, it had to be that long to get the story
across. What? The Dark Knight was 6 minutes shorter than There Will Be Blood. It was
also 16 minutes shorter than Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End.
Excuse my rants... I'm done.
Who says Two-Face DIED?
I saw no corpse, I just saw him knocked out.
That wasn't a funeral, that was a memorial.
anyone have any thoughts about that?
Obviously they can't replace Heath in the role, he was nothing short of brilliant, but I didn't feel like the Joker was really... over at the end of the movie.
I take issue with death of "Two face" and "Raz al gul".
1) it was a Eulogy for Harvey, most likely "Two Face" is in Arkham, because in the cannon
Harvey is dead there is only "Two Face" left.
2) Raz al Gul never dies, no matter what the hell happens to him he is always resurrected,
so to pronounce him dead is a bit much.
Other than that I think you're pretty much spot on where it counts.
Also, I like that Heath Ledger performance was separated from the Joker in your likes. That Joker was one of the best versions I have ever seen, and while I think Heath did a great job, to me it was more the writing that made the Joker such a bad ass.
Of course you have to replace Heath and bring the Joker back at least for a cameo. You don't stop producing a comic just because an artist or writer dies or decides to do something new. Give another talented actor a chance to step in and give this wonderful archetype a try.
Get over it. You wanted a bit more realism in the new Batman, you got it. It would be absurd to keep around a guy on the run without the money and tech Bruce Wayne has.
Dent is dead. There was a public memorial but do you guys really think that they are going to ship Dent to arkum and have a fake funeral funeral for a guy and not get caught? It's to big of an inside job to keep a secret. And since he is prusumed dead, that means there is no way they would of kept him alive to prosecute since, again, he is declared dead. Nolan is a great director/writer, so far, he doesn't play these stupid hype games with fanboys.
I don't think it's fair to list overhype as a flaw of the movie.....it's the fanboys that did that, not the people responsible for the creation of the film.
I'm not saying I fully support it, but I wouldn't be surprised if The Dark Knight gets a nomination or two at the Academy Awards this year....
-The balloon escape
-How batman can glide around effortlessly on his wings
-The bat sonar and glowing eyes
-Re-constructing a finger print from a shattered bullet
-Even the bat mobile and bike
I know it's Batman and that's how it goes, but all this stuff clashed with the fairly realistic tone of the movie for me.
I think Two Face dies. For one he was set up to be a tragic character.
Also, although the movie never states this, I assumed that because he was so badly burned he could never last for long anyways. He basically knew he was screwed and so made one last push to run around and take revenge on everyone before he succumbed to his injuries.
the movie. The Joker's magic trick right at the beginning, I remember hearing the applauds
(myself included) just from seeing that. It was just simply awesome.
I agree with you on Two Face 'dying', however, I think (as probably already said) it wouldn't take much to bring him back from the dead. Since they never really show what happens to two face after the fall, it's possible Gordon secreted him off somewhere and just had the public believe he died. That sort of thing wouldn't be hard to write in and I don't think would be much of a cop out. I agree with most of your other likes, Gordon dying did 'piss me off' but I think that it was a perfect move of "you didn't see that coming" type writing. Bringing him back was relieving, but seemed a little contrived. The length of the movie i don't think should be an issue for anyone who is overly interested in the movie, but yes, your average movie goer is probably going to lose interest, or whatever, especially in other long movies that just die in the middle.
And he did lie about who was where per Dent and Dawes being blown up. He's a cruel man. I was pretty sure he had lied about the detonators on the ferries - not that we'll ever know. I would have been non-surprised if the people had turned the key and their own boat had blown up. Honestly, though, I like the way it turned out.
As for Dent being dead - I am not a fan. I was thinking he'd be the main next movie as well. I am upset that we may not see the Joker again, but there must another person who could take on that role. I loved the dynamic created between Joker and Batman - that here was a nemesis being created, someone Batman would be in constant battle with.
Anyway. We had an intro. We've had somewhat of a descent into madness. The next one will probably turn our Dark Knight into a Caped Crusader once more. Though, if they call the movie "The Caped Crusader" I will certainly be wondering who the hell is in charge around here.
There was something about the joker that never convinced me, I'm seeing it a second time just to see what it is everyone is talking about. He never convinced me that he was ever really the joker, I kept waiting for someone to pop up and say "Tada! I'm the Real Joker." Don't get me wrong, Heath gave a very good performance, but he didn't physically fit the characters persona like everyone else did (Batman, Lucius, Alfred, you believed they were the character); looking at the pics I see clearly why now, he didn't fit the long face protruded chin, and he wasn't tall enough. Had he matched at least these two requirements he would have been such an awesome joker.
There is a spoiler tag at the top of the article...
#3 is ridiculous it is absurd to blame a movie for all the hype it is getting for 2 reasons one is that you hear very little hype about a movie if you don't go looking for it (I never once heard anything about how ledger should get any award for it before I saw it) as for all the advertisement that I don't look at as hype because it is all stupid and annoying and I don't know anyone who goes to see a movie because of a pizza.
#2 is only bothering to me because you clearly never read or don't remember the original comics you remember the cartoon and the comics that were done at the same time. in the original comics batman killed almost ever villain he fought. the author of the comic intended the joker to die after he was in 2 issues (never read them my self just info I have come across).
Here's a list of things not to like:
1. Apparently Gotham is now Chicago not Manhattan, and why is it so freaking bright all the time. Begins was much more correct to the mood of Gotham in both Architecture, lighting, style. Interesting that they were both shot in Chicago but look so different. Gotham is Concrete, not Glass and Steel.
2. A city the size of Gotham has a General Hospital that is only 4 floors high?
3. The Joker went from being a supervillan with style to just a garden variety psychopath. Where's the flair? I want the cellphone in the guys stomach to have a cool ringtone at the very least... so many ironic songs come to mind. Except for the odd joker poker card being tossed around you could have called that character any name you choose and it would have had no effect on the film.
4. What was up with going to Asia? The whole point of that 15 minutes was to show the escape mechanism.
5. The movie was about 30mins too long because they needed to reinforce Harvey Dent as The White Knight about 5 times because otherwise Batman didn't seem Dark enough.
6. As stated previously.. Raspy-voiced Batman gets very tiring, if you're going to have someone talk like that don't give them a soliloquy.
7. The Batpod was *inside* the batmobile? Really?
Regarding Two-Face: Its strongly implied he died. I checked the Shooting Draft of the Script (on sale in book form) and it clearly states he's dead, even in all capital letters. Dead from a broken neck. Of course he could come back, and I hope he dies, but in the world that is The Dark Knight, Dent/Two-Face was said to have died.
Regarding Killing: Yes, in early comics Batman killed. He also had a BatMachineGun. But Batman in the past 40 years or so has been very against killing, which was established in both movies - its the line he won't cross. Also, Batman in comics is well known for having a very large rogues gallery, you can't have that if they're all dead.
Regarding Batvoice: I can understand why some people don't like it, it does sound weird, but it makes sense. He is trying to disguise his voice, not just sound angry. He's going to great lengths to protect his identity. How could Mary Jane or Gwen Stacy or Aunt May not realize Spider-Man was Peter Parker when he sounds exactly the same? Also, in the comics, there have been several times where someone, generally Alfred, remarks that they don't know what his real voice is anymore - his human voice or his gruff Batman voice. He even starts talking in a gruff fashion when just hanging around the Batcave.
Regarding Everything Else: Thanks for all your responses and I'm pleased to say there has only been one death threat so far. ;)
Bit of advice: if you're going to judge the grammar of another, make sure your own grammar is immaculate. "there's" does not match your plural subject "flubs". That is all.
As for the critique, I appreciate the dislikes section. It's unique, as far as I've seen. I think i'm going to go against the grain here and argue that Maggie gyllenhall's character was, in fact, a good performance and necessary to the movies. The Dark Night (and Batman Begins, for that matter, despite my dislike for Katie Holmes's acting) would not have had the same realistic feel if Bruce had not had that close companionship evident in Rachel's character. The endings of both movies would also have been drastically different had Rachel not been a character, and I'm wondering if anyone had any ideas as to how the Dark Night would have turned out differently were there no Rachel character. I disliked Katie Holmes's acting in Batman Begins, but I thought Maggie Gyllenhall did a good job; she didn't take me out of the experience, and I'm not expecting her to be a major character, but she had several key roles, and advanced the plot, especially in this movie. Finally, what would have been the cause of Harvey Dent's slide into Two-Face were it not for the death of his betrothed? Rachel was a necessary character if for no other reason than as a plot advancing pawn.
Finally, I also took issue with the writer's grammar. Definitely hurt his credibility as a critic. Quick hint, it's "reel" me in, not "real" me in (you're "reeling" as you would a fishing rod). Thanks for the interesting viewpoint though!
(btw i knew he wasn't dead he couldnt be, he was always known as commissioner gordon and he hadn't made commish yet so he couldn't die)
i have to say the way bale "growls" his words as batman is pretty irritating... especially that first scene with batman as he gets into the vehicle.. it sounds like he's bringing up a loogie... it's a bit much for the character...
and to be honest.. there wasn't a whole lot of batman in the actual film...it seemed like bale was a third frontman.. the movie couldve been called Harvey Dent and the Rise of Joker...
I also disliked that the Joker re-explained the origin of his scars right before he intended to cut up someone. Don't get me wrong. I loved the ambiguity of his origin. But the method in which it was presented almost started to seem a little dance-with-the-devil-by-the-pale-moonlightish. Had he offered one of his creepy explanations, say, during the interrogation scene with Gordon, it probably would not have bugged me.
Finally, regarding the deaths of villains in films., I have a few thoughts about this:
One thing that must be kept in mind is that films are VERY different from comic books in that films are not nearly as sustainable as a comic. As much as we'd like the Nolan/Bale Batman films to go on and on and on, this particular incarnation of the franchise realistically has only one or two more films in it. Given that, each film needs to be different -- meaning it needs to feature different villains and not keep bringing back the same ones.
Another thing is that the scope and intent of the story arcs are completely different in a film versus a comic. Comics can get away with open-ended storylines that go on for months, years, or decades. Films require closure. A comic can endlessly find new ways to explore the tragedy of a character (how many times has the Joker's origin been reinvented, for example?). A film has to make its point about tragic rises and falls much more... bluntly. The stakes have to be high. Life and death high.
Finally, and this one relates specifically to how Dent was portrayed in the film, I think they resolved his story arc in the only way that made sense for the franchise. Trying to present the character of Two-Face in a way that doesn't degenerate into the ridiculous (in a film) can't be easy, and Dark Knight handled it very well. Within the context of the story, the way that Dent fell into madness, and his choice to use the coin flip made sense. I just don't see how they could transition him from an insane man bent on revenge into an insane arch-criminal deciding the fate of his random victims with a coin toss in a way that didn't cross over into being ridiculous.
P.S. Overall, I enjoyed the movie and plan to see it again.
If you remember correctly, Gordon died and came back. Why wouldn't they do this again with dent? Also, 2 Face played a pretty large roll in the comics, so it wouldn't make sense to dismiss him this quickly. Furthermore, with ledger out of the picture they will probably be looking for someone to fill those shoes in the next one. If you think about it, Dent and the Joker aren't that different. Both don't play fair, and both leave things to chance. (eg. Flipping the coin more than once per person, having a 3rd remote to blow up the boats)
Just a thought.
Overall, great movie, I love the comments you guys have, and yeah, the hype/marketing was by far what make it slightly less enjoyable.
- Elliot
"I'll get you Batman!"
shoud have been
"Ha'l gidchooew baidman!"
Maybe not that exaggerrated... but something!
That's the only thing I couldn't buy.
(Batman's coin landed good up, but Twoface shot him anyway... such a cheating lawyer.)
Sure there was a lot of hype to the movie but you can't keep putting a movie down because other people liked it and praised it so. In the end of it all you got to take a step back and look at what the movie brought to you.
But all in all a great list.
I'll agree with you 1000% on Rachel Dawes, she seemed like the damsel in the middle and just fodder to be used against the protagonists.
I do believe Heath Ledger should get an Oscar, just a remarkable performance. I am extremely saddened that he will not be in the next Batman or other ones after.
I think it would be a nice dedication to Heath Ledger that he gets an Oscar for his last "killer" performance of his career.
I admire your honesty. I will coming to this website more often.
in films should be hot, unless otherwise required by the role. Especially if you're killing her
off, the film should make you naturally feel the loss, even at the most superficial level. I
don't know, I'm sure some find her hot, but I think the film losses a few points on casting a
girl that's not hot for a lot of people.
I have to quote this, in the second instance of the story he tells a different tale of how he got the scars. This adds to his insane personae.
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i think w/ ur dislikes, you you sound like you are reaching. it sounds like you are trying to put a downside on the movie for the sake of being a critic.
just give in....absorb it. give it a second viewing and you will find this is one of the best movies you have ever seen. no flaws....
I also thought the cellphone sonar was kind of lame. I felt like the writers were trying way too hard to make it current and political - ie, domestic wiretapping.
1. I loved that the movie is two and a half hours, as most of the movies these days are shorter than two hours, close to one and a half, this movie being so well done was a nice thing to have.
2. Noone knows that twoface is not dead, both Batman and he fell from that distance, and nothing happened (he started running in 20 seconds) to Batman, and I expect that one of the next movies will all be about two face.
Rachel: Well she was OK, she wasn't part of the comic series, so killing her wasn't a big deal I guess...
“I just couldn’t get into her on any level.â€
Apparently neither could Batman.
It was wise of him to save a potential great villain over a boring girlfriend.
I thought Batman was leaving the police station going to save Rachel. I thought he said that who he was going after. But the Joker being a Joker switched the information around. That way Batman would be headed to save the one he cared less about.
It was different the second time he told it. Neither of the stories are probably true, he's just trying to think of the most insane story possible to freak people out. He's having fun with it.
I'm surprised no one has brought up the following. I thought the movie was really great with the surprises and twists - I didn't see anything coming. EXCEPT the hostage situation at the end. That's been done a dozen times. You don't need Batman to say "it's never that simple with the Joker" - ANY cop/SWAT team should be suspicious when there are dozens of terrorists standing as easy targets, clear-as-day in front of windows. So obvious from the beginning that they switched clothing.
As for the deaths of Harvey Dent and Ra's al Ghul:
Don't forget your Ra's history. He always seems to find a way back. He is after all 600+ years old thanks to the Lazarus Pits. He also made reference in Batman Begins of immortality at Bruce's birthday party, and right before the train crashed seemed to go into a type of meditation, indicating (to me) a kind of Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan-esk commune with the after life.
I also believe that Harvey Two-Face is alive in Arkham Asylum. I don't think that he was killed from the fall. I do however think that Dent himself is in the proverbial sense dead, and was put to rest quietly for the good of Gotham.
Here is a similar review... with a chart!
It was immediately after artists started dismissing this ignorance and went back to the true source material and realized that, in fact, Batman is very, very, very, very, very close to being a killer...and at times even flat-out was. You are familiar with the concept of where the moicer "Dark Knight" came from right?
These movies, for the first time, have actually started telling the Batman story. It is not about a really good guy who is compelled to clean up the streets and make the world a better place. It is about a deeply disturbed guy who has a compulsion to beat the living snot out of bad people...and at times has a very difficult time keeping these tendencies in check.
Just like Bond (which the movies before Casino didn't even come close to touching) was a man haunted and tormented by his "liscense to kill", what makes Batman compelling is that he is not a good guy...well, not all the time...sorta...kinda depends on if you tick him off or not...
5. Well Gordon didn't die so how can this be on your list of dislikes??? He didn't die but his faked death was necessary to the plot. HELLO!!! Do you read the things you're writing?
4. Length: You said yourself the story didn't drag, the film was just as long as it needed to be; abritrarily cutting the length seems dumb and frankly I'm tired of many films taking too many shortcuts and letting me fill in the blanks. I paid full price I want the full story. If you have a compelling need to re-organize your sock drawer feel free to leave at anytime.
3. Hype: Your comment on this strikes me as filler and nothing more. Your gripe here is not with the film but with those people and media outlets you've heard say they thought it was good. Not fair to the production and meaningless overall.
2. Two-Face: I hope you're not serious here. You need to think about the plot of TDK and why Harvey/Two-Face played a pivotal role and then "exited" when his usefulness was complete. It's part of what makes this movie soooo good and is certainly **not** a detraction. I've sat with folks who simply expected Harvey to be set up for the next movie like the typical pre-packaged sequel set-ups we've seen again and again. Catwoman will be the next, or at least one of the next villains to appear... you can take that to the bank and there's a direct reference in TDK to this affect.
1. Rachael: Well we'll make it 11 things you like because you hated her and she died didn't she?
Final count, 11 likes, 4 meaningless and poorly expressed gripes which haven't really been thought through.
Good job blowing up Maggie G. She couldn't pull off the silk shirt/no bra with cold weather look......
Joker can be re-cast: J Depp, Ewan McGregor?
The GPS cellphone element really made me think of the wiretapping issues Congress is fighting George Bush over with Homeland Security. Very Orwellian and scary when you think this could really happen.
They can re-cast the Joker but I doubt anyone will be able to live up to the standard Heath Ledger set. And I hear they're ready to introduce the Riddler anyway.
And Batman didn't try to go after Harvey Dent in the rescue scene. He chose to go for Rachel but was tricked by the Joker.
I can't be too upset about the Hype Machine. The Batman franchise is owned by Warner Bros. Their job is to make money, so the best way to do it is to get the word out as much as they can. All of the awesome writers at FSR, me included, were more than happy to talk about the film. The hype helped the film break box-office records, which we were all applauding. You can't have it both ways.
2rachel dawes
3the way two face bends over and catches his face on fire
Don't tell me you actually thought Gordon was dead, my god he wasn't even 'commissioner' at the point he got shot. Did you honestly not believe he was the driver right from the beginning? How about when he continued to attempt escape from the barrage of heavy artillery headed their way, still think he was one of the Joker's goons?? Read into things a little, you'll find the swimming's better not so in shallow waters.
No, don't get me wrong. I love that he makes up a different story every time. THAT aspect of it I approved of. What didn't sit right with me was the timing -- he only seemed to do it right when he was about to cut someone up. To me, that kind of turned it into a little bit of a gimmick. That's why it gave me a bit of a "dance with the devil" vibe.
Gordon mentions five dead in relation to Harvey Dent. I count three: The cop in the bar, the mobster, and the driver. He hits the other cop, but I don't think he killed her. Even counting her, we are up to four. Can anyone help me with this question?
1. @Nick- The Bat-Sonar device blinded Batman because the Joker made it malfunction in his melee. We see Batman turn the Sonar device on and off earlier when he recognizes the clowns are the hostages.
2. Gotham looks like Chicago- This was the most true to life comic film I have seen and I truly enjoyed that the city looked like something I could walk right into. Haven't we all been complaining for years about the settings of Batman being too campy and unrealistic? (Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher's Gotham...eww.)
3. Gordon Dies- I think this was a great twist for the Batman novice. But of course he wasn't dead. As many others have said, he wasn't even Commissioner yet. It made the viewer more invested in Gordon, particularly at the end with this family.
4. The Joker's scars origin- I loved that he told the story right before he cut someone up. In fact, not knowing what really happened to the Joker made him more mysterious. I disagree with anyone who says he became a run of the mill sociopath and would take one scene from Heath Ledger over Jack Nicholson's entire performance.
I think that was counting... The cop in the bar, the mobster, his driver, himself (maybe?), and I think Gordon might have thought Ramirez was dead. If not, I'd count in the cop who died in the hospital (even though technically the Joker shot him) or even a second mobster in the car with Harvey and Marconi (I saw a guy get in the passenger's side...).
had to. in reality, harvey dent would not be able to survive his wounds for very long without
skin grafts and pain killers. i'm not sure exactly how long two-face was around in the
movie, but i don't think it was more than one day/night.
couldn't the makeup dude go to town on Harvey's face?? I'm sure any makeup artist would
have killed to do Harvey's face...but they gotta fix it in post with a cheesy default
Mummy/Terminator look geeeeeeeeeeeez. The dude was walking around with his bone and
muscle exposed...not burns on his face with melted skin...BONE AND MUSCLE. Give me a
break.
1. Wuertz- Dent shot him in the bar.
2. Maroni- Died in the car accident.
3. Maroni's driver- The same.
4. The cop who went in looking for Davis that the Joker shot- We assume they linked this death to Dent after he escaped.
5. Harvey Dent- Died after the explosion but literally died in the fall. Technically killed himself in a sort of Darth Vader manner.
There is one other cop, Davis, who died. But we don't know if he was in Harvey Dent's hospital room when the Joker decided to play nurse. If you switch him out for Dent (based on the theory Dent is referring to those Dent allegedly killed) you still have 5 people, but 3 cops dead.
Batman says I killed those 5 people, I think he is referring to Dent as well.
Hope that helps out a little bit.
Yea, as much as I enjoyed the storyline, I've found the action choreography in Begins and Dark Knight to be difficult to follow.
I think after The Matrix brought asian quality action choreography in to Hollywood, the whole 'show actor pulling a punch - jump to other actor falling' thing is getting really lame.
I hope the next movie might approach this slightly differently.
save Harvey and not rachel. Joker gives rachels location as street "x" and harvey's as
street "y". Batman leaves without saying a word and gordon orders his cops to get to
street "y" where it is believed harvey is located. The joker knows where each will go
and gives the wrong coordinates because he knows batman will get to them first and if
harvey is saved it will destroy him. Joker plays batmans feelings to break harvey
He is dead!!!!!!!!!
At the end of the film a Harvey Dent is being eulogised etc, and a hundred cops run in on Gordon etc where harvey/two face had fallen.
It would be the stupidest stunt ever to suddenly say that...whoops two face just got up and ran away.
You fan boys make me laugh. Nolan is all about making batman in the real world, which im afraid means when you die, you bloody die.
All in all, great movie!
movie and not Katie Holmes... It would have been more upsetting if Katie was blown up
because she was at least attractive.... Maggie, not so much...
Batman leaves the interrogation room, then Gordon asks who are you going for? Batman says Rachel, then Gordon tells the police force they're going after Dent. So while the Joker did set it all up to trick Batman and destroy Dent, as you said, Batman does announce his intentions to go after Rachel Dawes.
if it's the image constructor, then that means he himself could see the people behind floors, walls and ceilings. if this is the case then why did he need fox's help? i thought fox was supposed to stare at the screens and be batman's eyes?
if it's the sonar emitter, then why the F*** would he put it over his eyes and make it glow and blind himself?
also... too much talk about dent and gordon dying or not dying. when they announced gordon dead i just knew he wasn't and it wasn't a big deal to me. i didn't say/think "I KNEW IT!" when they showed him alive again.
i feel the same for dent... whatever... i would neither be surprised nor disappointed if he made an appearance again. just get over it.
because it deserves to be nominated. If movies such as "The Return of the King" and
"The Departed" won Best Movie, "The Dark Knight" should have that chance.
Because I love this movie I will share the parts I didn't like:
3. I couldn't understand Batman's voice.
2. Batman breaking Rachel's fall. I know that Batman could not be able to survive that
fall. I expected Batman to use the grappling hook, as it is used in the old movies and
animated series.
1. I couldn't understand what Gordon said during his conversation at the DA's Office or
at the end of the film.
May I add my favorites that nobody has mention, because they are too concentrated on
the useless details.
5. The abduction. Don't lie to yourself that snatch and grab operation was pretty
awesome. And everybody was cheering when the plane snatched Batman and his victim.
4. The Interrogation Room. This is a classic villain and hero confrontation of wills. The
Joker talking to Batman, Batman going out of control, Gordon and Co. freaking out when
Batman blocked the door. That got you out of your seat.
3. Two more villains. Usually in a Batman movie the villains are either dead or locked up
in. Arkham. Two Face was breathing at the end of the movie. He was just unconscious.
He is probably locked up at the new Arkham Asylum island right beside Crane and The
Joker. I expect to see a live version of this facility in the next installment. If this movie
was dark, wait until you see the next one.
2. The Surprise factor. The Dark Knight was just like a roller coaster. It started from the
beginning escalation, until the Joker got involved and everything went down hill.
Characters that died, some that came back from the death, The Joker testing Batman,
Dent and the people of Gotham and an ending that nobody expected.
1. What nobody wants to admit, is too see their superhero beat the crap at a soldier (i.e.
Wolverine slashing soldiers in X2), or a Swat team. Batman had to protect the hostages
from swat teams ready to shoot them. So he used his sonar tech (by the way, it wasn't
lame at all. I bet you will come with some Batman & Robin technology. SO shut up!), to
predict the movement of swats and beat the crap out of them. This part lived up to my
expectations.
I went back and saw it again and I noticed a bunch of stuff I didn't before, like how on the truck Joker and his team were in it said "Laughter" and he put an S in front if it to say "Slaughter". Oh and I thought the mysterious driver was evil too, I never realized it was Gordon until I read this article. I feel stupid haha.
By the way can anyone tell me what happened in that car ride where Gordon, Reese, and Berg were in the car? Didn't Berg get shot or something because he had relatives in the hospital? That part confused me.
I thought the whole sonar thing was weird too. I mean the Joker was attacking him and he kept those glasses on and he couldn't see. I was like just take them off!
Anyways The Dark Knight is definitely my all time favorite movie right now.
It’s the Joker who lies about the locations. The Joker knows Batman would save Rachel when given the choice. (Knowledge gained from-"I saw how you jumped in to save her"-interrogation cell)
The Joker Knows that his best bet to destroy both Harvey and Batman would be to kill Rachel. Loss Creates Anger and could lead to breakdown of beliefs and hence loss of sanity for both men If Rachel Dies. Batman does not breakdown but Harvey does. So in both these scenarios Joker succeeds only by killing Rachel. And to make sure Rachel dies he fibs to Batman about the Address.
5. The Gordon "Dying" didn't bother me...only because he came back. Like you, I would have been pissed at the end had he not returned.
4. I know you're making a point about the length of movies in general and its only a minor nitpick to complain about it being a dislike for this film when the length wasn't a problem for you. I'm torn on the length thing. I agree that some movies do feel a bit long and could be tighter if they cut out some things; but other movies feel that they could use more and sometimes come off as rushed.
3. They hype really wasn't so much a problem with the movie as it was with the promoters and fan-base. But I do agree that it was way more than necessary. It didn't hurt my experience of watching it much; though I do feel that the first viewing satisfied the hype and that the second was more enjoyable. Third wasn't bad either.
2. Can't argue with this one.
1. I did think Maggie G. was slightly better. But, the character was bad.