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I strongly disagree. Either win it for a great movie or don't win it at all. The Departed is flawed and wasn't the best movie that year.
Since Harrison Ford has many times played Harrison Ford, I would replace him with Alfred Hitchcock.
I hope you realize you're in the minority about The Departed. Next to Pan's Labyrinth, that was my favorite film of 2006 so I'm very glad it won and felt that the Academy, for once, made the right choice.
2. Judy Garland was ripped off when she didn't win for A Star is Born and the Academy instead award the statuette to politically connected Grace Kelly for a so-so performance in the Country Girl. in 1954.
'I love Hitchcock as much as anyone, but since Rebecca won best picture I decided not to include him here'.
But by your logic, Bergman shouldn't be on this list either, since three of his films have won Best Foreign Language Film, not the same as Best Picture, but his films have been recognised.
Along the same lines as Hitchcock, Joseph Cotten never scored a single nomination in his career - yet was a consistent force for over 40 years. CITIZEN KANE, SHADOW OF A DOUBT, THE THIRD MAN, TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING ...
minority of thinking, "If a person won an Oscar in any category, or received some kind
of Honorary Oscar, they aren't Oscarless." I realize you make note at the beginning that
this is based on specific categories, that you're basing this on directors who never won
Best Director, actors who never won Best Actor, etc.
But I just can't stand that kind of thinking. Altman, Fellini, Kurosawa, Grant, all died with
Honorary Oscars. Lumet and O'Toole both have Honorary Oscars. Kubrick won a Special
Effects Oscar, and was the leading candidate for the Honorary Oscar the very year he
died. None of them won competative Oscars in their typical categories simply because
they weren't the best in that given year. And, to a lesser extent, Bergman (and
Hitchcock, to all those who wanted him on this list) both received Irving G. Thalberg
Memorial Awards. This isn't an Oscar Statuette, but a bust of Thalberg, so to some
extent they are "Oscarless," but they HAVE been honored/recognized by the Academy.
Also, Kubrick won an Oscar for Best Visual Effects for 2001.
directors of all time. Groundbreaking, innovative and revolutionary. Man, you need to get
out more. If you don't believe me just ask some of his peers.
I mean, c`mon now.
Grace Kelly (Country Girl) - no
Dorothy Dandridge (Carmen Jones) - YES
http://imdb.com/name/nm0199268/
Your article said Hollywood Icon, yet half of your list are from outside tinseltown. Harrison Ford got screwed out of a nomination for THE MOSQUITO COAST years ago and his career has taken a much different path than any of us would has expected.
McQueen was one of the great screen actors of all time, and should have won for PAPILLON in 1973, but failed to get nominated because he didn't play nice with the Academy.
Nothing else needs to be said.
That being said....Kirk Douglas was amazing in Spartacus, Ace in the Hole,Paths of Glory, The Bad and The Beautiful and many others. He has his honorary oscar but should have won any number of other times for great performances.
Thelma Ritter, while nominated many times for Supporting Actress also never won. While her roles were never as meaty or substantial as Stanwyck's, she was nevertheless the epitome of the classic supporting cast member. Quite simply, she steals every scene in which she appears and is often the only cast member one remembers after viewing her films. Ritter was nominated for Oscar six times from 1951 to 1963 but never won. Equally adept at comedy or gritty dramatic turns, Ritter was the all-knowing sage and wise-cracker, the classic character actor.
One more classic performance which really should have won Oscar, Mary Tyler Moore in "Ordinary People". As much as I love Sissy Spacek in "Coal Miner's Daughter", MTM's performance that year was taut, chilling and one of mature, controlled ability. The performance was all at once frightening, believable and even shocking, in that we had never seen MTM in a role of this type, and pre-OP, probably didn't believe she could pull it off. Beth Jarrett ranks right up there with Anton Chigurh and Hannibal Lector as the scariest of all screen villians.
Cary Grant, AFI's number 1 screen legend, deserved to be higher. Orson Welles could have also been on the list IMO.
Garbo, Irene Dunne, Barba Stanwyck and Myrna Loy are some of the leading ladies who could have made the list.
Strongly disagreed with Harrison Ford being on the list. He is a competent actor in my book but not much more. And you list too many directors who didn't work in Hollywood for any extended periods (Kubrick included). Seeing that the Academy usually nominates Hollywood made films, I am not shedding tears for those directors who worked outside of Hollywood for the majority of their careers.
Irene Dunne (5 noms)
Barbara Stanywick (4 noms)
Myrna Loy (0 noms)
Judy Garland (2 noms)
Greta Garbo (3 noms)
Thelma Ritter (supporting- 6 noms)
and men!
William Powell (3 noms)
King Vidor (5 noms)
Fred Astaire (1 nom)
Jean Arthur (1 nom)
Gene Kelly (1 nom)
Peter Lorre (0 noms)
Errol Flynn (0 noms)
Fritz Lang (0 noms)
I'm sorry, but that pretty much nullifies any credibility you may have had anywhere in your entire argument.
I would personally add Lynch to that list and replace Harrison.
Hell just make a top 10 directors list and that would make me happy!
but what about Mamet and Gilliam. I second the Lynch nomination - he should have won
for Mulholland Drive, but that is far too controversial for the academy.
Kubrick is hands down the most deserving on the list.
Stanley Kubrick: 0
But still, Fellini, Antonioni, Kubrick, Altman, O'Toole, Grant et al. have all received Oscars at some point. A more telling list would have included masters who were forever neglected. For directors alone: Robert Bresson, Eric Rohmer, Andrei Tarkovsky, Roberto Rossellini, John Boorman, Sam Peckinpah, Peter Bogdanovich, Elaine May, Bob Rafelson, Dario Argento and Alejandro Jodorowsky to name but a few.
Having a list about "Hollywood" icons not only further perpetrates the continued global shortsightedness of the Academy and North American filmgoers, but also reveals itself to be problematic when half the directors on the list worked almost exclusively in their native land. The fact that they are included here though shows that they've been adopted by the establishment as figureheads for all the other neglected voices over the world that continue to be overshadowed by Hollywood tinsel. Trust me, it's a bigger world out there than Hollywood would make it seem.
PS: I find it strange that there are no woman in your list.
Other female actors have suffered similarly, as do comic actors in general of both genders.
I am a huge Harrison Ford fan (well, Han Solo and Indiana Jones fan), but don't think he has really performed so well in a film that he should have won an Oscar.
Deborah Kerr should be there as well. And the greatest performance never to have won was Peter O'Toole's for "Lawrence of Arabia" of curse.
I would have liked George Lucas to have won one (he was beaten by his own wife, who was an Oscar for Best Editing for "Star Wars"!). And Oscar Welles should have won more than just a Best Screenplay Oscar for "Citizen Kane."
Apart from the actresses already mentioned, Rosalind Russell, who was nominated 4 times and never won.
I agree the "honorary Oscar" is underrated and truly does honor someone who is deserving for a lifetime of work. It should be given out more freely though to prevent giving out superlative (Best ___) Oscars to those who shouldn't win that year. A great example is John Wayne, who had more deserving performances during his career yet won for True Grit over O'Toole, Hoffman, Burton, and Voight. An was deserved but probably not that year for Lead Actor.
A filmaker to consider on your list would be Werner Herzog and Orson Welles. I think Welles won best orginal screenplay for Kane, but he was never recognized as Best Director.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0000005/awards
He's been nominated 9 times, with zero wins. As well, if you read Nate's article you will find that he is not counting honorary Oscars and any of the ancillary categories. This list is about the major awards, ones that each of the men on this list should have probably won at some point in their careers.
I know that Robert Altman is good, but I never understood the fuss. I find him like Woody Allen very self indulging. I do not understand Sergio Leone's inclusion either His films at the time they were made were not considered great, For some reason age and time has made them legendary, they were entertaining but they were schlock
For me, I like Hitchcock Lamut, and Kubrick. I like Peter O'Toole and Charlie Chaplin. Humphrey Bogart reminds me of Jack Webb; competent but lacking depth.
However, Bogart played the Oscar game better, as did the other winners. The losers were often playing a different game, or simply didn't know the rules. Technically excellent, popular, and Oscar-winning film makers are three different categories, like apples, oranges, and bananas.
1975 Best foreign film Dersu Uzala (Kurosawa)
1974 Amarcord - (Felini)
1963 Ferderico FELINI'S 8-1/2 - (Felini)
1961 Through a Glass Darkly - (Bergman)
1960 The Virgin Spring - (Bergman)
1957 The Nights of Caberia - (Felini)
1956 La Strada - (Felini)
1954 Gates of Hell (Kurosawa) (Honorary)
1951 Rashomon (Kurosawa) (Honorary)
Like I said. Do some research.
Angela Landsbury's performance in "The Manchurian Candidate" is one of the finest portrayals given by a female performer.
Charlie Chaplin
Tim Burton
Kate Winslet (but she will win, eventually...)
and of course, many many many others...
It's ridiculous that this got on the home page of IMBD.
Yeah, I love Peckinpah, and it would have been cool for him to snag an Oscar, but is he a Hollywood Icon? Doubtful. His name isn't well known outside of film101 classes - not in the way Fellini's or certainly Cary Grant's is. And saying that foreign directors are Oscar winners because their film was named best foreign film is a little misleading. Best Film awards usually go to Producers because of their oversight of the entire project. The director is obviously a major part of the process, but there's more to movie-making than that. It's like an actor claiming he/she is an Oscar winner because their film won Best Pic. They'd never get away with that. Why should a director?
I really dig the conversation this list started though.
My only complaint at first reading was the lack of women. Maybe that should be its own list? The Top Female Icons that are Oscarless? Care to write a sequel Nate?
"Legendary Swedish director Ingmar Bergman has died at the age of 89. The THREE-TIME OSCAR WINNER created some of the most acclaimed films of the past century, including "Fanny and Alexander" and "The Seventh Seal."
Well done Mr. Peter O'Toole. Even without an actual Oscar win, we all recognize your brilliance.
director. The director only accepts the Oscar at the award ceremony. The Oscar is then
given to the film academy of the respective country who won, and they can do with it as
they please (Canada, for instance, has the Oscar for The Barbarian Invasions on display
in a museum in Quebec). Therefore, Fellini, Kurosawa, and Bergman certainly accepted
many Oscars - on behalf of Italy, Sweden, Japan, and in that bizarre case with
Kurosawa, the Soviet Union, would only be able to keep those Oscars if their respective
film academies allowed them to.
There was only one instance where individuals were given the award, and that was in
1956 when Best Foreign Language Film first became an official category. "La Strada"
won, but guess what? They didn't put the directors' names on the ballot - the producers
were nominated. Therefore, Fellini didn't receive an Oscar for "La Strada" - his
producers Carlo Ponti and Dino De Laurentis did.