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Film School Rejects: Review: ‘Terminator Salvation’ Lacks Humanity

  • chille · 6 months ago
    Well, this movie is looking pretty crappy so far. Now I just hope they stop here. Hell, they should have stopped with T2. Im not saying T2 isn't great, its just that the story really ended there.
  • Sean Finn · 6 months ago
    This is my worst fear realized. Say it ain't so...
  • Mack41 · 6 months ago
    Not even going to bother to read it. Could you put a spoilerless one up?
  • Neil Miller · 6 months ago
    There aren't any spoilers in this review -- at least not anything that you couldn't get from watching the film's theatrical trailer.
  • Jay DV · 6 months ago
    I am so sorely disappointed. This is the film I've most anticipated since the beginning of the year.

    I read through the prequel novel (From The Ashes) and it did answer some of the unanswered question Cole mentioned in his review, but not all of them. The characters in the prequel story lacked characterization that I hoped the movie would deliver on. I suppose I'll be let down in that regard. Shame.
  • Aleric · 6 months ago
    Sorry but I will make my own decision and see the movie like I planned. See I listened to the reviews about Star Trek and that movie rates a D+ on my scale. So if Salvation gets a bad review then more than likely I will enjoy it.
  • Neil Miller · 6 months ago
    See... I feel like we're providing you a reliable gauge for movie quality, then. Albeit an ass-backwards one.

    I feel like we're accomplishing something here...
  • vkatnyte · 6 months ago
    a d+ really?? and just a thought what fucking movie were you watching, huh???it was definitly better than Wolverine..and every other star trek film in the past 15 years..and the last 3 star wars films, so a d+, huh??you must be a John Travolta fan.....nuff said.
  • Aleric · 6 months ago
    Hmm I could have sworn I put the name of the movie I rated a D+....oh yeah, there it is Star Trek.

    Seriously look at this current movie and them compare it to Nemisis and tell me there are not similarities. Romulans want to destroy the Federation with a large scary ship that can destroy starships and planets like they were nothing. Add in a new cast with a time travel twist and you have the new movie.

    Seriously if you liked it good for you, but Chris Pine was not portraying the Kirk of legend I remember. Someone who dedicated their life to being the youngest captain in star fleet and risking his life to protect his ship and crew. No he was a school drop out, bar fly who hit on anything that opened its legs and had to trick and scheme his way onto the Enterprise to even get a chance to shame Spock off the bridge. Sorry but I will follow Capt Pike into battle before I would the new Kirk.
  • _Christopher_M · 6 months ago
    I had a feeling reviewers were going to have mix feelings with this film not matter what...people just hate McG and that Cameron didn't return to the franchise...considering there is a possibility Haggis/Nolan could end up writing the sequel I think this film could be the first right step...I mean no matter how bad the script was it couldn't be as bad as Terminator 3

    at the very least I'll be going in with lowered expectations I'm sure it has some redeemable qualities...I rarely agree with the reviews on FSR...Carr having the worst taste in movies of any reviewer I've read...but I think they do a great job in pointing out issues they had with the film...
  • Cole_Abaius · 6 months ago
    Well, if you rarely agree with my reviews, then you know that you'll most likely enjoy Terminator Salvation.

    Ergo Propter Hoc.
  • _Christopher_M · 6 months ago
    my issues are mostly with Carr he just seems jaded about films he can't take his kids to......I didn't single you out.... I mean you and other FSR writers do a greater job in breaking down movies...I think it's more I don't want this to be a bad movie
  • Aleric · 6 months ago
    Lol, respect guys, no hard feelings here.

    I am normally the odd man out when it comes to watching films, most of my friends and I disagree on a lot of movies out there. Too much agreement equals boring conversations.

    As for Cameron, well he seems to have gotten a case of Lucas Syndrome, afraid to go back to the old projects lest he taint his legacy.
  • dragonmum · 6 months ago
    "afraid to go back to the old projects..."
    That's actually a good thing! We don't need another epic fail as in Greedo shooting first! lol
  • bengibbard13 · 6 months ago
    who knows, maybe this will bring your expectations down, and when you watch it you might like it.

    i dont know

    sometimes i have disagreed with what was written on here at times

    its all personal opinion and standpoint

    maybe a lot of people will really like it, or maybe itll just really suck. I guess we will find out
  • entertainmenttod · 6 months ago
    Considering the reviews are coming in mostly negative and the trailers have such a bleak feel this film might turn out to be a huge box-office disappointment. I love the franchise ( like part 3-don't get the hate and like the TV series very much) but these trailers to this film never really impressed me. Fans are so used to seeing the chase storylines of the first three set in our present that this bleak vision ( Feels like a mad max film) isn't a guarantee must see for the masses.

    chuck
  • Ape tooth · 6 months ago
    It seems like the movie has all the pieces for a great action film, but the stupid director doesn't know how to use them properly..still I have hope for this film, I'll be seeing it.
  • 790 · 6 months ago
    Haha. I knew this would suck.
    Cole I think you nailed it when you said that they decided to make a trilogy instead of a single good film.

    Morons, I hope this bombs so bad that Mcg retires from the biz.


    Yeah let's bring on that sequel where Connor transports back in time to warn the military and Robert Patrick is working on a cure for childhood diabetes.

    Come on ppl the guy is a moron.
  • Rafael · 6 months ago
    I started reading this even though I thought it was shit but when you wrote this "but I realized that no one ever smiles in the whole movie" I realized you were more stupid of what I thought you were, yeaaaah I bet everyone is going to be smiling in this enviroment you stupid...damm your review is pure bullshit I don't even want to argue with you...I feel sorry for you......................
  • Andy III · 6 months ago
    What a shame. This sounds like it delivers exactly what you would expect out of something bolted together on the fly...dumb, confusing, useless.
  • Gopher · 6 months ago
    ...well this sucks.
  • Kangaroo Be Stoned · 6 months ago
    Pff. D-. Should have gone with an F. I would have after reading that review. Goddammit I wanted this film to be good. It looks like Star Trek may have competition in the worst action film of the year award. To me, at least.
  • _Christopher_M · 6 months ago
    I know what you mean Trek wasn't as action packed as the trailers made it out to be...it was a good movie but didn't merit that 96% on RT on opening weekend...
  • Kangaroo Be Stoned · 6 months ago
    Even if the film had lots of action I'd still hate it. I gave it a 3/10 for a reason. :)
  • GyPirate09 · 6 months ago
    Still watching it doesn't matter if its D- or F. I'll bitch about it once I see it. Review is someone's opinion but it does give me the idea of what to expect.
  • 790 · 6 months ago
    vkatnyte, he gave it a D-

    You look stupid now. :)
  • jack2jack · 6 months ago
    You heard it here first. McG tried to show the film at the Newport Beach Film Festival but they could not get it to play. He began the senseless tirade about Hollywood and don't become a director bulls**t. He finally coped to the fact that he should have intervened when Bale opened up a can of whomp a**. Our film instructor, Stephen Valley, was hoping for pearls of wisdom. Instead it rained insults, like Comic the Insult Dog, from Conan. When we attended class that Thursday, our instructor was graciously pointing out the merits of the other products that had been presented. He did not know how to take McG's comments. The instructors comment was, "that's not how to make frenemies" with the powerful studios.
  • Tigger · 6 months ago
    Wow... harsh. I hope I like it. I like spongebob and pop music! Do you think I will like it? All Terminator movies so far are hilarious and awesome. But this doesnt sound hilarious and awesome. Nothin can ever top Schwarzenegger, Hamilton, and Furlong in T2. And claire danes was excellent as a sarcastic strong witty Kate in T3. I had a girlfriend like her once. Too bad she is not in this one. She is a happy person and a great actress! HAHA oh well, goin to see it friday afternoon! WOOHOO TERMINATOR SALVATION !
  • Mattyzee · 6 months ago
    Through all of McG's narcissism, even he should surely be able to see where he made his money. The backs of the studios and companies from which this money was made is also clearly visible. I don't exactly know what I'm trying to say with that... all I know is that anyone who calls them self McG needs to be taken with a grain of salt, if not assumed to be a complete turd.

    What was Sam Worthington like, Cole?
  • Kangaroo Be Stoned · 6 months ago
    Damn. Ebert gave it 2 stars.
  • B.shet · 6 months ago
    If you guys are fans of the Terminator franchise, don't listen to Cole on this one. I saw Terminator Salvation on Tuesday and like it a lot. My girlfriend - who hates action movies like this - liked it too. There are some bad parts, but some really good parts as well. This review doesn't seem fair at all. I would give it a 7 out of 10.
  • Curtis G · 6 months ago
    I agree with you Cole. I saw a screening of this on Monday night and I was completely let down. Not one point in that movie did I think "Now this is bad ass!" or that I had as much enjoyment watching the movie as I did say Star Trek (And I'm not even a fan! never watched the movies or series). The action is was just lame and predictable. Wright to me was another major let down. I never got the satisfaction of watching him whoop ass on the screen. Not going to spoil or say anything, but there was a certain part of the movie where hes in a hostel zone and gets from point A to point B (in the dark which is supposed to be the machines best time for tracking) without a single fight! Bale delivers a solid performance, while the other characters are just there. I was waiting to try and piece in the beautiful scene where Blaire (Moon Bloodgood) is topless (which isn't in the movie of course) and I never got a sense of where they could put it in that would come off cheesy or just a topless scene.

    To be honest though, my expectations weren't high going in. I mean what has McG really done for him to get this much hype? He directed "Charlies Angles" and "We Are Marshall" two movies I didn't really like. AND the writers, what pieces of shit. Did anyone think the story was going to be good? Look at their track record! Catwoman, Primeval, who can say they enjoyed those movies?

    I'm not really going to repeat to much from this review, but IMO, Cole is spot on. I don't think I would give it a D- maybe C+? This movie just fell short in almost every way. Star Trek is still the superior summer movie as of right now, and It's looking like It might stay that way.
  • Isamu · 6 months ago
    This movie should burn in hell where it came from first to burn our eyes by watching this piece of crap which thank myself that I didn't watch. I will give it a D or even a F for sucking so much.
  • djjeffhall · 6 months ago
    I want to say thanks for the review, but instead I'll just thank you for the warning.
  • tek · 6 months ago
    We're done professionally.
  • Kangaroo Be Stoned · 6 months ago
    My review of the film has legitimate arguments. I list the pros and cons. The cons include lazy writing (big plot contrivance where Kirk meets Old Spock), the idiocy that is Red Matter, the cringeworthy dialogue during two scenes (Kirk's father and mother, Spock and Uhura after Vulcan's destruction), horrible score, too much humor for my tastes, Nero being a lame villain and his motive being a cliche, and lens flares. There are more complaints but I didn't want to waste my time reviewing the film any further.

    The pros include every time we see Kirk get beat up, Quinto's portrayal of Spock, and the scene where there is silence as a women is dragged into space after the attack on USS Kelvin.
  • Troy · 6 months ago
    I found Star Trek perfectly entertaining summer fare despite its many flaws.

    That said, if you rated it a 3 out of 10, then you're probably gonna have to dust off your negative numbers for Salvation. I was astonished by how uninvolving, poorly-paced, poorly-plotted and just downright dull the whole thing was. I think it will make Trek look good - to those who didn't like it - in comparison.
  • Cody · 6 months ago
    wow, are you insane? I saw this at an advanced screening yesterday, so I'm obligated to provide all these people who are now afraid to go see it, with some hope.

    I found the story captivating an very ingaging, despite the fact it may be lacking in a human aspect, that would be because there were only a handful of characters important enough to have been developed, like John and Marcus.

    this was filled with great action, gripping character conflict, and an amazing ending. I can't understand why you hate it so much, or why anyone else would either. people should at least go and see for themselves before forming an opinion.
  • Blade16707 · 6 months ago
    How the hell did this movie get a D-?Dude,its a post apacolyptic future with a bunch of guys fighting off killer robots what where you excpecting hamlet?
  • Christopher · 5 months ago
    Some (at the very least) BARELY plausible storytelling would be a nice start. And a slightly less messy and unresolved script.
  • jack2jack · 6 months ago
    This was an excellent year for the Newport Beach Film Festival, minus all of McG's comments. His vision for the next movie contradicts the story from its inception.
  • VICE · 6 months ago
    I just saw the movie and all i have to say is this-
    Somewhere, deep inside, Terminator Salvation may be a good film. But it's so unabashedly Hollywood, such a construct of too many artistic styles, storylines, unrealistic physics, chase scenes, contracts and heavy-handed metaphors—not to mention terrible script writing—that it may have simply forgotten how to be good. Quite simply, it's just too busy being a movie to be entertaining.
    T3 was a lousy film, but at least its fatalistic ending stuck with you. At the end of Terminator Salvation, I left the theater gagging on the world's most expensive Hallmark card, questioning why I was supposed to give a damn in the first place.
  • Whaler · 6 months ago
    Just got back from watching it and I’ll admit that I was disappointed, but not as much as I expected to be after reading this review earlier today. It definitely didn’t give me that feeling like when I used to climb the rope in gym class but I don’t think it deserved a D- either. As long as you can view it as existing outside of the previous Terminator movies, to the point of being in an entirely different genre, then it’s an enjoyable flick. To be honest, I take less issue with your review and rating than I do with the fact that Angels and Demons got a full grade higher rating.
  • jedimind_rick · 6 months ago
    Regardless of all the bad reviews, I'm still looking forward to seeing this movie... when I see this movie. I'm sure I'll see it this Memorial Day weekend but, it's not like Wolvie Origins or Star Trek where I actually made plans to see them. And with all the bad reviews out there, I think my expectations are set low enough that I might actually really enjoy the film.
  • Ape tooth · 6 months ago
    It was a good movie, just didn't have as much emotional depth.
  • FuckthatbitchAbaius · 6 months ago
    I will never listen to a review of yours again Cole, you're an idiot that was obssessed with "Watchmen" and really don't know a good movie, not even if it slapped you in the face.
  • Rohith · 6 months ago
    I wouldn't say it in such a rude manner but I agree that Watchmen was crap and the only reason I watched it is because of the hype given to the movie by this website. I know people would argue that if you didn't like watchmen, it means you did not understand it but that's not true. I have many reasons why I did not like the movie and I can even argue that the beliefs of the blue guy are not wise.

    So, I will watch Terminator regardless of this review but I guess I will lower my expectations.
  • JMoney · 6 months ago
    i disagree
  • Ronald C. Wyse · 6 months ago
    I thought it was great. Kept me on the edge of my seat. Go see the movie and decide for yourself.
  • ector · 6 months ago
    I loved t2 growing up. and liked this one alot too
  • Christopher · 5 months ago
    Yes, YES, YES!!! I watched this film tonight (UK opening night) and felt hollow and unsatisfied afterwards.

    Couldn't adequately express my dissatisfaction (I'm not good at explaining why films suck, I just know a pisspoor piece of work when I sit and watch one). Thank you for crystalising every poor point of this film for me!
  • Spencer Savage · 5 months ago
    I actually liked this film. But if you haven't seen any of the others, then really this film will make absolutely no sense to you, but who hasn't seen them? You obviously can't beat Terminator 1 & 2, heck even 3 was alright at times. But this film was bearable and did pack a lot of action. And carried quiet a bit of suspense. Could have been better but what film couldn't?
  • Brian · 4 months ago
    Man... I just want to thank you for your solid, logical, and well thought-out review. Terminator 1,2 and 3 is probably my favorite trilogy of all time, and I was hoping that 4 would meet up to the same standards of quality that the first 3 had. All of the things you say in your article I pretty much agree with, and it's well written. Maybe you guys should have directed T4 :)
  • introspective · 3 months ago
    Terminator Salvation is a very good movie. It is obvious that even without Schwarzenegger the movie can be good. The action scenes are top-notch.