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Film School Rejects: In Response to Spike’s 10 Most Overrated Directors List

  • Captain_Howdy · 1 year ago
    It's all so very remote... It's a very ambitious list. More like something you'd find on a personal blog than a site like Spike. I guess that's what makes it so special. And why they took it down quick-smart. Dumbasses.
  • Josh_Radde · 1 year ago
    I would never consider Speilberg overrated. He's over-exposed, but his films are judged fairly. He's always been a consistently good story-teller and engaging director, granted his films are always 30 minutes too long. So he may have a bloated ego, but over-rated he is not. Great article Cole. You nailed it, especially with Apatow.
  • David G · 1 year ago
    EVERYONE of these guys, but LUCAS, belongs on this list. They've given us one great movies and then a couple of good ones... and then some decent ones...and the some very very bad ones that seemed like they were just playing around with their money to throw it in our faces.
  • MacEachaidh · 1 year ago
    I consider Spielberg well overrated, but I guess it depends on what you're looking for from a movie.

    He's clever with set-pieces, has a great feel for the visual and the timing within a sequence, but I would say he quite specifically *isn't* a good storyteller because he consistently sacrifices narrative logic and consistency in his characters to set up his "wow!" moments. It's a huge flaw that, for my subjective tastes, has crippled every one of his movies.

    That said, I'd have to acknowledge that any list of the most memorable screen moments in American film really should include a fair proportion of Spielberg sequences. But as to whether you rate his films highly overall, I think it depends on whether you see a flick as simply a container for moments of spectacle, or whether you want some congruence in the plot to justify the "wow!". It's the latter that I reckon Spielberg stumbles on, pretty much every time.
  • Drew · 1 year ago
    I LOVED THIS ARTICLE.
    Thank you for that.
    I have lost any (and future) respect that i might have for spike......Go FU** yourself spike.
    Having coppola on the list is a serious mistake.
    Thanks for those rebuttals. Very Good.
  • Elizabeth · 1 year ago
    You can't call George Lucas an overrated director. He's made six or so films. One is just downright weird but had some interesting stuff. One was very deservedly praised. Star Wars changed film as we know it on multiple levels.

    Then he didn't direct again until Phantom Menace. People act like he's directed all this stuff but he HASN'T and his efforts at directing the prequel trilogy are universally mocked. So you just can't call him an overrrated director at all. As you've said, he's very accurately rated.

    My vote is for Hitchcock.
  • blackmanjew · 1 year ago
    i think steven speilburg should be #1 on the list i hope he never makes a sci fi alien movie again
  • Davebaxter1989 · 1 year ago
    I can see that there is an argument for Hitchcock being overrated but I just feel that even the not-so-good films he directed are worthy of note and if Francis Ford Coppolla can be defended because he made the first two Godfathers (Which he can) Then I feel that the many masterpieces of Hitchcock outweigh the weaker films.
  • Jim Rohner · 1 year ago
    This may be the best article I've read all week. Major kudos to you, Cole. Smart, witty, and so damn right on the money. I applaud you.
  • Mathieu Lalonde · 1 year ago
    I agree, Speilberg is overated. He makes good movies but his "direction" is nowhere close to groundbreaking.

    As for the rest, 8 of the other 9 don't belong on this list -- and George Lucas, although overated, isn't much of a director to begin with... Overated movie mogul perhaps?
  • RobertFure · 1 year ago
    Are you arguing this just to argue because I agree with with like 6 of those, very strongly.
  • FuriousBob · 1 year ago
    speilberg and tarantino are legitimately overrated. end of story.
  • Cole_Abaius · 1 year ago
    I'm arguing because I think the author's concept of "overrated" needs some refining. He's chosen mostly cult or niche directors, the opinions of whom are so varied that it would be impossible to label them as overrated or underrated. For every entry on this list, I could make the opposite argument that they're underrated because of ticket sales or because of popular expectation for current work based on past success. It's a non-starter.

    Personally, thinking QT is overrated is fine, but finding him overrated on a universal level is pretty absurd.

    Basically, it's a list of the ten most well-known directors where the author is claiming they secretly suck because they made one or two crappy movies. And that the public thinks they are brilliant without reason.
  • Jeremy_M · 1 year ago
    Well written! I agree with almost every point! I think QT is overrated, but that is based on how many of my friends 'idolize' him.
  • Kyle · 1 year ago
    Maybe you're just an over-rater, Cole?
  • RobertFure · 1 year ago
    I think the definition of overrated, or at least the one I always use, is "Is this person celebrated no matter what they turn out?" Or are the films orgasmed over uncontrollably? QT is easily over-rated. I'd say Smith is because he basically makes the same movie over and over again, worse each time, and somehow becomes less technically proficient each time as well.

    Shyamalan was cool like 10 years ago, his last 2 have been utter disasters. I'll give you Apatow being over-exposed in venues other than the directors chair.

    And honestly, while Bryan Singer does suck for the most part, I don't think his reputation is even high enough to warrant him being uttered in the same sentence as these other guys. X-Men was kind of cool, but mostly disappointing to this long time reader. I don't like anything Singer has done and didn't think he was 'rated' enough to be 'overrated.'

    As for Spielberg, I'd argue for the sake of argument that he can be called overrated simply because he is regarded as probably the greatest living director. So if you consider him the second greatest living director, then he is overrated in a way. Now if you'll excuse me, my whiskey is approaching room temperature.
  • Davebaxter1989 · 1 year ago
    Cole youv'e said everything I could have said on this list. Also kudos on the Eddie Murphy when he was good reference.
  • TL_is_now_TJL · 1 year ago
    Considering Spike shows all six Star Wars films on a regular basis, I think someone at that stupid network likes George Lucas.
    While I agree with one or two names on the list, I'm not going to put much stock in something brought to us by the network behind Gary the Rat and Stripperella.
  • Arou101 · 1 year ago
    Hitchcock was overrated? I thought it was what it was, a throw away summer flick with a big star and plenty of special effects. It wasn't advertised as a best performance nomination, or even as a movie that people could connect with. Just a popular guy, Will Smith, throwing out some cuss words to bring in a "HE DOESN'T EVER DO THAT" reaction, and a big budget. I liked it for what it was, but I don't even compare it to other serious superhero movies.

    That being said, I liked this article. It really did point out obvious "Should have had a V-8" moments, ie- Judd Apatow and Kevin Smith. As much as I hate QT, I think he may have been overrated when Kill Bill hit the scene, but now he's just a director no one takes seriously anymore. After that throw away Grind House triple(?) feature, I think we can all see past the brilliance in Kill Bill and see the creepy immaturity he jams into every movie he can. Pulp Fiction wasn't bad though.
  • whynot · 1 year ago
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    I believe we have a confusion between two different cocks here
  • D Train · 1 year ago
    I'm surprised that moron can even spell Coppola, let alone critique him.

    This coming from the network that airs Manswers.
  • Peter · 1 year ago
    I think you're taking the term "overrated" in regards to a general audience consensus whereas Spike seems to apply it as a critical consensus. Either way I think there are Director's who should and should not be on this list. Agreed that it's ridiculous to have Steven Spielberg on any list that suggests a lack of talent.

    In the end though, you didn't need to write this article and you just come off as sort of whiny.
  • Cole_Abaius · 1 year ago
    It has nothing to do with how I personally rate these directors. It has to do with how the public at large views them, and in that is where I argue that none of them are really overrated. When a director has just as many assholes worshiping every project he makes as he does people that don't know he exists or think he's a hack, it's difficult to quantify him as over or underrated really.

    Either the Spike writer wrongly believes that everyone worships QT or he's basing it off his personal opinion and admitting that he dislikes several directors that have given us some of the best films of the past 30 years alongside their crappier outings. Ignorance or bad taste. Take your pick.
  • Tim Woods · 1 year ago
    Wow, you hit the old nail right on the head this time you did!

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  • lol · 1 year ago
    i agree with all but the top 3. The top 3 are definitely overrated...They may be talented, but a huge amount of people refer to Steven Spielberg as the best director in history. This is just ridiculous. Pretty much all of his movies have been "average" except Schindler's list and munich
  • Davebaxter1989 · 1 year ago
    Jurassic Park? Raiders of the lost ark? ummmm...Jaws?
  • slink · 1 year ago
    you problem seems to be with the use of the word overrated and obviously the fact that some of your favourite directors were on the list, (eg. Kevin Smith, quote: "loving his films makes you ... slightly smarter than those around you" - don't be so pretentious, it just means you like slightly juvenile comedy that isn't actually very funny but aynway)

    To my mind a director can be overrated if they have produced some good work, at some point in their career, but have carried the credit and respect for that work long after they ceased to make good films. In short its about consistency throughout a career. All directors make some duds but if they truly have talent and vision then they can make good films throughout their career. Nobody is denying that the Coppola made some great films, you only alude to "the 2", I assume you mean the first two parts of the Godfather trilogy, what's wrong, haven't you seen Apocolypse Now? He made 3 of the best films ever in the 70s but outside of that nothing particularly great. He's not overrated if you're talking about skill, but if you put it in the context of greatest directors of all time then yes he would be well overrated. And seeing as I mentioned greatest directors of all time there is only 1 person on this list who could even be considered for that top 10 list and that's Spielberg, whether you rate him or not individually just look at his body of work and you'll several excellent films spread out over a long career. That makes him a contender and I definitely agree he is not overrated, he can make some sentimental rubbish but you can never discount his ability to make a classic, he's probably still got a few in him.

    As for the rest of the list you're defending I'm afraid Spike would generally have my agreement, you definitely wouldn't. They're all overrated, they've done one or two good films, earned their reputation and then gone downhill from there, usually by churning out the same old kind of stuff and sticking too closely to what's worked from them before.

    The fact that you suggest that Hitchcock, Kurosawa and Kubrick (?!) could possibly, ever, ever, ever be included on a list of overrated directors says a lot. None of those directors could ever be accused of having a "period" of success and then churning out rubbish for the remainder of their careers. They made a whole canon of work and consistently produced some of the greatest films ever made at different stages of their lives, that is all you can reasonably ask from a great director. Not for every film they make to be a brilliant blockbuster but for a fairly good portion of them to be good and a few of them to be truly great. On that basis Spielberg is the only director on the list I disagree with, the rest of them have a handful of good films between them and some have only the merely average (apatow, smith, shyamalan). For me that means that they are not great directors, they may yet prove to be (Tarantino could still do something in the future to redeem himself) and so rating them as such, as many do, makes them overrated. Well done Spike.
  • Dallas Bancroft · 1 year ago
    The only greatest Director that ever lived does not exist. Kubrick was brilliant, Hitchcock ditto, Kurasawa and Wells were innovative and genius but the fact is Billy Wilder made the world laugh and cry and if I had
    to choose my favorite Director of all time, (which is the time I've lived in) it would have to be him. Remember that there is a time that each man lived in and worked in and the genius who made "Greed" wouldn't even be appreciated by today's audience because they don't know who made that film or why it was, at the time, the most innovative film ever made, but always preface with 'at the time'.
  • Chad · 1 year ago
    George Lucas is just a bad director, not an overrated one.
  • care · 1 year ago
    i don't believe on whose is number 1 or number 2. i know that every director is a great director and i suggest that please not be ranking of human being in numbers.
  • booby video · 1 year ago
    Most of these directors direct the only movies i watch.. how can they be over rate...
  • who cares · 1 year ago
    just the fact that Kevin Smith, Quentin, M. Night, & Tim Burton get to still make movies is proof they are overrated. those jerks should have restraining order against making movies. and someone should put 2 bullets in Lucas' brainpan.
  • Chris Grooms · 1 year ago
    Oh here we go with the typical "You don't know good directors, because my opinion is the RIGHT opinion. Step back in line infidel!"

    I'm burying this on Digg. This is pretty lame. I didn't even read the 1/10th of this to know some egotistic dumbass wrote it.
  • J_Jenkins · 1 year ago
    Umm... Orson Welles is overrated? What the hell is wrong with you? That's not a "both sides of the fence" discussion. The man was a certified genius, and he accomplished more by the time he was thirty than most accomplished geniuses could in a lifetime. HIS developed cinematic techniques redefined cinema and are still in use today.

    Oh, and by the way, Coppola is not Jesus. He was great, but I don't see how he doesn't qualify as overrated while Orson Welles does. I suppose that by your standards Eisenstein was a hack. I suppose you think "montage" has something to do with preparing for a fight in the 80's.

    Spike's list is awful, and your commentary is worse.
  • Hmm · 1 year ago
    I don't think a lot of people on here (including the author of this post) understand the meaning, usage, and intent of the word "overrated"
  • ntopics · 1 year ago
    You see a lot of great characters with fantastic qualities in movies.
    In real life most people just are not movie characters, so when
    you get to know them better you find that they are just people
    like yourself.
  • Neil · 1 year ago
    All the criticism in this list hinges purely on a narrow, extremely literal definition of 'overrated'. If Spike had called their list "Directors who some people think are god but actually aren't very good" then you would probably have no argument at all.

    As such, quite a silly article and you should probably feel bad that it bothered you enough to write this. Still, half a sheet of blotter acid is a decent effort so I'll give you a pass.
  • BBDBEV · 1 year ago
    You forgot the most overrated filmaker of all time....DAVID LYNCH.
  • Davebaxter1989 · 1 year ago
    To be honest I kind of feel bad for Arou101. But it shows clearly ALFRED HITCHcock is not overrated as some appear to confuse him with Will Smith Summer comedies.
  • Davebaxter1989 · 1 year ago
    Who is overrating David Lynch? I just asked my girlfriend who he was and she had no clue and I'd imagine that would cover the majority of the public. Seems he's another accurately rated person.
  • Joe · 1 year ago
    My thoughts exactly. The original list was laughably stupid and uninspired. Good Job.
  • Cole_Abaius · 1 year ago
    I think I've just been out-snobbed. Well played.
  • w2ed · 1 year ago
    I thought Spike's list was idiotic enough, but this list is just as bad. Don't waste any more blogs responding to idiots, because you sound smarter than that.
  • Lynchpin · 1 year ago
    You lost me trying to defend Kevin Smith and the line 'Loving his films makes you geeky, slightly smarter than those around you' which made me vomit a little in my mouth at the thought there's people who actually think this about his work. Skimming the rest of the article leaves me with the impression you're more interested in being pedantic and letting us know all about your best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend and what she knows about directors. Fascinating.
  • Lyrics · 12 months ago
    I remember that list, and I commented on it, but when I read this rebuttal I could only come to the conclusion that the internet needs to get a life.
  • Lexx · 12 months ago
    My thoughts exactly. The original list was laughably stupid and uninspired. Good Job
  • Jim Rohner · 12 months ago
    I think I have to disagree with you on your point about Coppola. You ask if Cole's ever seen Apocalypse Now, but I'll ask you if you've ever seen The Conversation? Perhaps you were unaware, but that film garnered Coppola two Best Picture Academy Awards in the same year, though it's overlooked because it was also the year of The Godfather Part II. By my calculation, that means Coppola has directed 4 great films. Also, if you check out the book "Whom God Wishes to Destroy," you'll read a very convincing argument about the merits of his other films you didn't consider "particularly great."

    And while I disagree with Cole's suggestions of Hitchcock, Kurosawa, and Kubrick, I do think those directors and their lack of Academy Awards would raise a worthwhile discussion. I feel that I should also defend Cole's rebuttal of Apatow seeing as he has only directed two films and both have them have grossed a lot and been very well received by critics.
  • slink · 12 months ago
    i have seen the Conversation and it's excellent so my bad as I had forgotten about it. In fact I would say after further consideration that I was wrong and that Coppola does probably not deserve to be on the list given the strength of his great films but I think it's certainly debatable. As for the lack of academy awards for 3 great directors, I see it as a poor reflection on the academy and not the directors themselves As for Apatow time will certainly tell but for me personally his films are the epitome of overrated. For me they're not great comedies they're just better than average. I'll take Life of Brian, Withnail & I or the Big Lebowski over any of Apatow or Smith's films any day of the week.
  • Jim Rohner · 12 months ago
    The reason I think Coppola should not be on the list is because his "bad" films were straight up (and he will admit it too) director-for-hire films that he simply used to pay the bills. There's no authorship in any of them.

    While I love Apatow films, I will say I think you have a point that time will tell, especially seeing as he only has directed two films. He may be soiling his name as a producer with sh*t like Don't Mess With the Zohan, though. It's also interesting you mention The Big Lebowski because I felt that was a very overrated film. I love the Cohen Brothers, but I was told that would be the funniest movie I'll ever see and it fell far short. My suspicions are it's because I wasn't high while watching it.
  • slink · 12 months ago
    i'd say it was because you were told it would be the funniest movie you'll ever see. That's instant death to a film right there. Being stoned would obviously have helped though
  • Jim Rohner · 12 months ago
    You're likely right. I was also told I Heart Huckabees would change my life. It did in the sense that I can never get that time of my life back. F*ck you, David O. Russell.
  • Quenfis · 12 months ago
    Well here is what the meaning is based on Wikipedia "Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field; not necessarily related to popularity." I would take this to mean that if QT took a dump on a piece of paper and captured that on film, then released in the theaters, and all of the people in their field thought it was the best thing since Pulp Fiction, then I suppose he would be overrated.??

    I would say that each of these directors have just the right amount of credit for their field, and therefore are not overrated. Some films may suck more than others, and I think that overall that has been noted in their field. I agree with the comments from Cole, and I do see the humor in it. It was a comical read, which I don't think the Spike article was humorous at all.
  • FanKen · 12 months ago
    fully agree...
  • Warren · 12 months ago
    Spielberg is most definitely over-rated. There's something slightly hysterical about the establishment critics' ongoing need to shore up Spielberg as the greatest director ever. He made two excellent films: ET and Schindler's List. This is enough to indicate he has some real natural talent, no question, but being a great artist takes a little more endurance/consistency than that when you consider how many throw-away films he has directed. The rest of his work is quite mediocre for the most part, a good portion of it downright bad, and I agree with the commenter who notes that Spielberg is not a particularly good story-teller. His work is far too self-conscious and there's a mannered way in which he attempts to build iconic images that's just annoying over time. Cliche can be interesting in the hands of a more subversive, ironic mind than Spielberg's, but, thank you, if we're going to grapple with iconography and myth-making, I'll talk the real Norman Rockwell over a wanna-be Norman Rockwell. His status is really testimony to the mindless, sycophantic, lobotomized state of our critic class.

    The list is patchy and irritating though. Francis Coppola is a genius, period. His less celebrated/known work is actually amazing (see Rumblefish). And who considers George Lucas a great artist? Wake up people! Anthony Lane's brutal take-down of--was it Phantom Menace? (one of the newer ones at any rate, I just remember laughing a lot)--in the New Yorker will become an all-time classic of film criticism. I like Sofia Coppola's work; Lost in Translation was quite affecting. Is she over-rated, I don't know. I didn't know she was considered some amazing genius.
  • kent · 11 months ago
    sucks to be a movie director.
  • Steven Frechette · 11 months ago
    speilberg and tarantino are legitimately overrated. end of story..
  • Andrew · 11 months ago
    Quentin Tarantino delivered two of the greatest movies ever, he is not overrated. Spielberg made some awesome films as well.
    I can make a stronger list with my eyes closed:

    Cronenberg
    Kubrick
    Lucas
    Shyamalan
    Burton
    Carpenter
    Coen Brothers
    Lynch
    Gondry
    Smith

    Quite easy.
  • b.rae · 11 months ago
    alright, i'll say it. nice pull with the pasolini.

    also, not that i give a rat's ass, but 1. take coppola off of any "10 worst..." list, ever.
    and, 2. ....how can you call QT overrated when you write for Spike?! there's got to be an erectile dysfunction joke in there somewhere. i trust you'll find it.
  • Erik · 10 months ago
    You see a lot of great characters with fantastic qualities in movies.
    In real life most people just are not movie characters, so when
    you get to know them better you find that they are just people
    like yourself...
  • Anon · 1 month ago
    I can't believe you guys would put Hitchcock on your list of overrated directors in place of someone like Lucas. That man easily did more for the current art of directing than Lucas, Burton, and Spielberg combined.
  • fallenknight · 1 month ago
    You both forgot Spike Lee, who critics worship for no apparent reason. If you saw a movie with a tedious pace, nonexistent plot, inane dialog and a grainy picture, it would greatly surprise me if it was anyone else directing it.
  • kimmon17 · 3 weeks ago
    Enough is enough.

    We are starting a new worldwide mowement, this is it!. We the people takes control, enough is enough. Please, wait until 1. dec, we will rock the hole world.