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Thomas Jane was a great Frank Castle and Punisher. The Punisher movie was/is way under rated. I really like it. It was a great set up movie. The sequel with Jane was supposed to be dark and would have kicked ass.
Now that Jane left because he didn't like where the script was going, who knows. Poor image. Jane was awesome. Looking forward to this movie less and less. (And I'm someone who wanted a sequel)
I think Thomas Jane is an excellent actor but he's no Frank Castle. Lundgren was much better but he was no Punisher either. Seagal would have made a TERRIFIC Punisher. Just don't give him any lines and presto!
Any new Punisher movie will be better than the last one. I was ASHAMED to call myself a Punisher fan after that. Bad plot, bad direction, bad script. It was a disgrace. I look back on 86 and I say, THAT movie wasn't bad.
Information,Surveillance,Planning,Punishment. That's it. That's Castle.
I don't want an introspective character giving us an exposé on our society. I want a ruthless, remorseless and determined SOCIOPATH strategically exacting brutal and relentless punishment on criminals. Why criminals? Because he hates them. Period. That's his psychosis. That's the exposé.
Hopefully, Stevenson will manage. So far, his look is better than Jane's. My opinion.
Peace.
The launcher on the rifle is seen on a lot of Heckler and Koch weapons (I think Ray is holding a HK 416 and not a M4).
Suddenly, the death of his wife and kids wasn't enough to illustrate the depth of his loss. They had to wipe out his ENTIRE family (about 50, what?), conveniently gathered together, hours after their death certficates were issued, to have that particular ramification impressed upon us with the pathos that it desrves. "Oh, so he wants to kill them all, ooohhhhhh, I didn't get that." Movie was 5 minutes old and I was out of it.
Piecieng scenes together straight out of the comics while depriving us of the IMPACT of those scenes. Brilliant. The lollipop scene. The Heck Thornton scene. His neighbors. The Russian fight! It's like they purposefully set out to mangle that character by crafting crappy rip-offs. Who was Travolta supposed TO BE, anyway? Oh yeah, the signed actor to sell the concept to the producers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Punisher supposed to scare the hell out of people? Thomas Jane couldn't scare a kitten. He's good against sharks, though, I'll give him that. How did he get the part? By auditioning? Hah! By being the only FACE anyone recognized.
I look at the picture up top and yeah, the guy does look like Seagal.
But he also looks like The Punisher. Anyone says Jane did has to give me the name of their oculist.
I look forward to the film as look forward to everything the Punisher does.
I am confident this movie won't be as awful as the previous one(s).
But even more so: Henry Rollins :-)
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Not a Seagal-look-a-like in the set
Now I'm showing my age.
Take care.
P.S. Punisher got his start in the Spider-Man. series
They both protect the innocent and wear a costume but they don't have anything else to really talk about.
Somehow, I don't see Spidey swearing and wading in blood. Or Castle carrying a little girl and shooting people in the shoulder. I want Castle!
Ray Stevenson sure looks like he could pull it off.
ALEXANDER NEVSKY could be the best actor fot The Punisher role. Nevsky looks like the Timothy Bradstreet comics PUNISHER.
Thirdly and most importantly, though your devotion to Jane is commendable, he's no Frank Castle. Alone in a room with him, I wouldn't be afraid of him. Can't say as much about Dolph.
Family figure? Family figure??? Are you kidding me? This isn't Strawberry Shortcake, Dave, this is The Punisher! Find the bad guys; torture them to find out where their bosses are and then execute everybody in various inhumane manner. That's what I want from Castle. Hey, I want family figures; I watch Oprah.
Thomas Jane is a good actor, got nice presence, sure, but if he's the Punisher then Topher Grace should play Venom...waitaminnit...Anyway, you see my point.
Right off the bat, Stevenson's got a much better look.
Perhaps you can direct me to Punisher series that shows the contrary?
No? Then I'll say it again: The Jane Punisher was aawwwwful! Dolph's was better.
But you know what Jane would be good in? A Strawberry Shortcake movie. For real; I'd go see it!
oh, and no more explosions that form a skull at the end please. thanks.
I liked Stevenson's look. He looks angry as hell. That was cool.
I liked him holding on to that M-14, or 16, or whatever it was, and moving down a hall with his eyes always to the sight. That was cool.
I liked that there are finally some guns! And not stupid bow and arrows like in the Jane movie. How many of our boys are holding on to bow and arrows in Iraq?
Let's hear some artillery go off! Bow and arrows indeed. He's killing criminals, not "honouring the fallen prey". They got no honour; shoot'em, already and multiply your productivity!
I didn't see the M-60 in the trailer. My friend said it's there but I didn't see it.
Please. Show me the pig. I love hearing that monster go off.
I liked the Punisher's suit. I believed it. It made more sense wearing body-armor than running around in a cut-off T-shirt. Ummm...what if you get shot? Doesn't that tend to happen in your line of work, Mr Punisher? Wear body-armor! And put the skull over it. Done. Easy. That was cool.
I hope the movie doesn't blow it. The trailer looks great but you know how sometimes...the movie...doesn't measure up to the trailer?
Either way, I can't wait to find out!
The first two Punisher (89' and 04') film attempts were so horrible that I lost hope in ever seeing an accurate portrayal of my favorite childhood comic book hero, so to see this third installment of an attempt is thrilling for me but with I'm thrilled with reservations. I don't think anybody will ever get it right unless I directed it. But anyway, it seems this latest portrayal is the most accurate with even Microchip (who's this: look it up) making a appearance.
The Dolph movie wasn't great. But when you compare it to Jane's, it's a work of art that rivals the great Da Vinci. That's when you realized that Dolph, despite his "range", could still play a BIG, BAD-ASS, mother-*er. Jane CAN'T, no matter how "buff" he gets. He AIN'T scary. The Punisher is scary. Dolph was mildly scary. Stevenson looks scary. Jane ain't scary. And that's it. Oh, and the fight choreography was 10x better in the Dolph version. Better bad guys too.
The Jane movie was INSULTING on many, MANY different levels. Dolph's wasn't. My opinion.
That being said, the Stevenson one looks particularly vicious. Looks bloody and brutal. Lotsa guns; lotsa explosions. Sprinkled with a little torture? I'm in.
I'm not to excited about seeing Jigsaw, though. The Punisher doesn't HAVE nemesi. He KILLS THEM all. Hello? His enemies don't LIVE LONG ENOUGH to BECOME his nemesi. So for me, the Jigsaw thing is just gonna be goofy. Hope it ain't. But I fear it is.
I don't wanna hear Castle talk to much either unless it's an inner-narrative drenched with black humor the way Ennis does it. No melodrama. No "oaths". No frills. (speaking of Ennis: "The Slavers." Best Punisher I ever read.)
No capes, no masks, no mercy. Remember?
So thrill me, Ms Alexander.
Peace.
I guess that has always been the problem to bring the punisher to the movie screen. He is one-dimensional. Just killing. That's hard to explain to the maerketing dep.! LOL.
The true fans know that its his craziness that makes him interesting. He never has to say a word but when he just gives you his look, you have to change your shorts! I understand exactly what you mean about Thomas Jane not being able to convey that. It ruined the movie. The guy has to be Terror-Incarnate.
And what was the final body count? 10? Dolph had killed that many in the first 5 minutes! Either way, Jane lost more family members at his BBQ than he killed bad guys in the movie. That was so stupid!
Another poster said the same thing earlier. Losing his wife and kids wasn't enough??? Why change that so dramatically? It IS insulting, I agree.
Wake up! We love Frank Castle for what he is, not for the stupid changes YOU WANNA MAKE because you THINK it'll be better.
I also think the Jane movie was EMBARRASSINGLY bad. That being said,I saw the R-rated preview of the War Zone. Oh. My. God. It kicks ass!
I first picked up the Punisher series b/c I liked Ennis on Preacher. But after the first few issues, it seemed that that both Ennis and I had been wasting our time for three years before. Punisher is a much better series than Preacher.
I fell in love with Frank Castle. Not like Painkiller Jane, but for the character. I knew he had been around Marvel for awhile but I was never into gory comic books, or mindless violence.
But I realized that it wasn't mindless. Far from it. I read almost all of the back issues since. The Punisher rules, as the kids say. The most dangerous man to ever walk the earth.
I read "The Slavers," bugs. I agree. The best. When Frank gets his hands on the slavers, you couldn't WAIT for him to get mindlessly violent on them. B/c they had it coming...
The visceral pleasure of punishment far outweighs my abhorrence of violence.
Thanks for reading!
At first, I was distressed that Tom Jane wouldn't be reprising the role in the sequel (back when we all thought it was going to be one), but after finding out Ray Stevenson was going to be stepping into the Frank Castle's body armor, I had high hopes, seeing as I'd been a fan of his after seeing him in Rome and King Arthur.
Having seen Punisher: Warzone on opening day, I can most definitely say that I'm far from disappointed with it.
As for the Jane/Stevenson debate, I'm 50/50 because, in all honesty, I think they're different sides of the same coin. Jane was dark and brooding, more philosophical, if you will, while Stevenson is more direct and in-your-face. And brutal. Oh man, was Stevenson's portrayal of Castle brutal...
*One person's opinion. If anyone reading this doesn't like my opinion, well tough sh!t, because I could really care less.
the villain "jigsaw"? wtf was that? a little ridiculous if you ask me (not that anyone did). a regular vicious mobster with a healthy hate on for castle would have been enough. and his mental case brother? wasn't he the guy that played the liver eating "tooms" in the x-file series? *lol*
overall, i liked this punisher movie than any of the others. a dark gratuitous violent flik that fit the bill. peace out.