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Film School Rejects: Fans Move That The Joker Be Retired in Honor of Heath Ledger

  • RobertFure · 9 months ago
    I think that this is pretty stupid. Joker isn't an original character. He's not Ash from Evil Dead or Indiana Jones. He's already been played by many. Stuff like this makes me think that The Dark Knight has more in common with Titanic than just money - all of its major fans are 14 year old zombies.
  • ANGRYBROOMSTICK · 9 months ago
    yeah, TDK fanboys are dumb as hell. and annoying, too
  • _Christopher_M · 9 months ago
    it's a new breed of TDK purest who will automatically hate anything that isn't from that movie... someone like Michael Pitt could pull off the role if given the chance..yes Robert I still think it's possible the studio and Nolan will recast...if we didn't allow actors the chance to revive a character we wouldn't have Ledger's performance to even be talking about...
  • Cole_Abaius · 9 months ago
    They are going to have to build a time machine to make sure that Ledger's Joker is "The One," considering that he's, what, the 6th person to play the Joker.
  • ANGRYBROOMSTICK · 9 months ago
    Look, I think NOBODY should play the Joker for a few years, because nobody can live up to Heath's performance, but in 10, 15, 20 years, maybe someone else will put on an amazing performance.
  • _Christopher_M · 9 months ago
    what about someone using Heath's performance as an influence? it would be still keeping with what he started..I think carrying on the "character" he created is a better way of remembering him
  • Joshi · 9 months ago
    Once upon a time people thought Jack Nicholson was the best there would be... and then Mark Hamill (and I still say Hamill's performance is among the best Joker performances). now Ledger.

    There's no doubt it was a great performance, but the thing is, Ledger took the character and made it his own, he didn't play it like someone else did, he gave an amazing performance of someone who wasn't quite ticking along with the rest of the world, but it was different from what we've seen before.

    Now, if someone else were to come along and try to emulate that performance, then yes, it won't be better than Ledger and won't be worth it, but if a talented actor came along and, like Ledger, took the character and made it his own, gave a new take on the character, I see no reason why it wouldn't be good enough. I believe someone working on TDK had said that Nolan wouldn't let Heath's death mess with any story they might have wanted to do with the Joker later on and that one has to separate the actor from the character and that's precisely what should be done.

    I'm sorry, I miss Ledger, he was a great actor, and he gave a really great performance as the Joker, but the Joker isn't his character. The Joker had been around long before he was even an actor, he's been played by so many people before and should be played by so many people after. He is so ingrained in our consciousness now, it's not right that the film character should die along with Heath.

    Think of it this way, had Heath not died, and they'd put him in the next movie, and maybe even one after that... would anyone, anywhere be asking for the Joker to be retired because it's "the best performance"? No, you're only doing this because Heath died and that's wrong. People aren't even giving other actors a chance here. Heath Ledger wasn't the be all, end all of acting, there are other people out there just as talented if not more talented than Heath was and by saying no one would ever be able to do better than him simply means you're a closed minded fanboy.

    /rant
  • jack2jack · 9 months ago
    I agree, I thought M.Keaton was stiff as Batman but good for the time. But Jack being Jack, blew me away. Prince's soundtrack was pivital to Jack's performance. Every bad guy needs his own soundtrack.

    If Heath had not passed away, he would have taken the performance through the roof. But Jack eluded to something the role does to the sole. He indicted he almost bought the farm late one night while driving. After getting off his high horse, Jack wanted to reach out to Heath about this, or so he says. The same goes for any role brought from comic book to the big screen.

    That's why they call it acting, you want to see who can perform/improve the character from the last actor.
  • MeAtPoPsIcLe · 9 months ago
    His Joker was amazing but It should never be retired. I think that the very idea of that is insulting a little bit to the memory of heath Ledger. If We did that when Mark Hamill voiced the Joker Heath would be without one of the best movie villains of all time. I think if you realy want to honor his performance you keep on keepin on, recast and have the new actor do what he does in his way. I agree that if they recast and had them try to mimic what heath did, it wouldnt work and everyone would be totally bumbed but to never have the joker on screen again just makes me sad.
  • CaptainReg0981 · 9 months ago
    Somehow I do feel the same way as the Fanboys above and some what not agreeing all the way. Joker is a charcter of DC and can be played by many. Heath Ledger's performance was over the top and cannot be compared or played by none other than Heath. I do believe someone will be recasted and will take on the role someday in my opinion that will make the character live longer. Joker is the Big Major role in the Batman History if we took the scene that Heath acted out in the interogation room Batman is the only one he can relate and will always make him be the way he is. No one will ever be compared to Heath and how he perfected the characters maniacal, sick, and twisted mind but yet smart, Heath will be forever be missed and his legacy will continue.
  • Babb87 · 9 months ago
    The Idea of The Joker being retired is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. The character is more iconic than Heath Ledger could have ever have made it on his own, and if it wasnt for it being such an important character before he played the part, we wouldnt even be talking about this. This is an insult to all the rest of the actors that played the part before he did.
  • babbalicious · 9 months ago
    Heath Ledger didn't make The Joker iconic. The Joker made Heath Ledger iconic. Retiring The Joker would be a joke.
  • blckmanjew · 9 months ago
    Everyone needs to shut the fuck up. Including you FSR.
  • AllyndDudnikov · 9 months ago
    postin' in a troll thread.
  • yankeekilla04 · 9 months ago
    I can't say they should retire the joker forever, but at the very least retire him from this franchise. To re-cast the joker in this specific series would just be a complete fiasco for the movie and would just make the next one a disappointment. Instead, here is my idea to avoid the whole situation and to create a new plot line to use as you will. Batman is now the "Bad-Guy" of Gotham, so Gotham decides to put a reward out for him (Gordon has no choice because he is now under pressure to catch Batman). This brings in tons of bounty hunters including Floyd Lawton (aka Deadshot). But when the two first meet, Batman outwits him. Meanwhile, Catwoman is now in Gotham and the love interest begins. Because Deadshot is so angry at Batman for besting him, he decides to go on a rampage for revenge, not stopping for anything, or anyone, in his way. He then discovers the love interest between Batman and Catwoman and tries to get to Catwoman in order to get to Batman. Chaos is created with a body count that only a psychotic bounty hunter with no morals could create. Massive fight scene. The End. (Or something like that)

    Not only does this deal (or at least postpone) the Joker situation, it brings in a relatively unknown and well-known character to the Dark Knight Series.
  • Batzarro · 9 months ago
    Partial agreement: They could easilly move this particular cronology further without using the Joker character anymore. The way I saw it, the final dialogue between Joker and Batman kinda let it be known that it's obvious they'll meet again in the future, but it doesn't force the sequels to show Joker. His current arc is closed(until he escapes Arkham, that is. Then begins his NEW arc).
  • Cole_Abaius · 9 months ago
    You know FSR isn't a person, right?

    Just checking.
  • blckmanjew · 9 months ago
    Cole, I expect more from you.
  • Cole_Abaius · 9 months ago
    You shouldn't.

    Feel free to set the bar high for Hunter, though.
  • Rob_Hunter · 9 months ago
    You know blkmanjew isn't a person either, right?
  • Kevin_Carr · 9 months ago
    I think they should make "The Dark Knight 2" and cast Steve Martin as the Joker. He could do it in a bad French accent.
  • John Strickland · 9 months ago
    Hum... bergah, Battah-Man!!!
  • jack2jack · 9 months ago
    Kevin, it's who can play the Joker, not make a joke. And PP2 is surely a joke.
  • Mladen · 9 months ago
    I'm glad so many of the comments here are level-headed and reasonable. This whole concept of 'retiring' the Joker in film is incredibly stupid, once you consider the incredibly rich history of the character.

    The Joker has gone through some very distinct phases in terms of characterisation in the comics, and each incarnation in screen and film has reflected those changes. Just like how Romero's 60s Joker was a spot-on representation of the character at the time, Ledger's is the vicious post-90s Joker comic readers are familiar with today.

    When the character in the comics changes again (and it will), there'll be plenty of room for another actor and film-franchise / tv show to represent it.
  • Nicole C. · 9 months ago
    I think their intentions are good, but they're being unrealistic and impractical.
    I don't want any more Joker from Nolan. I may have even felt that was if Health Ledger was still alive, because I really enjoy seeing new different characters in each film and having a new primary villain just seems to me to be appropriate.
    But asking him to be left out of cinema for good, that just weakens their point with the asinine-ness of it.
  • Commissioner Gordon · 9 months ago
    Ledger's Joker wasn't that great. Well written, yes, but preformed?
  • Adam_Sweeney · 9 months ago
    Commish, how the hell can you say that? You weren't even able to nab the son of a bitch til the end of the film.
  • John Strickland · 9 months ago
    In Nolan's series, Batman and The Joker obviously have unfinished business. If they do not re-cast the Joker, then I don't want another Batman movie. I want to see resolution between Batman and the Joker, and if the Joker isn't in the movie, that won't happen.
  • Adam_Sweeney · 9 months ago
    I think that may be the point, John. These two will always be at odds, which means there can't truly be resolution.
  • John Strickland · 9 months ago
    Exactly. The Joker character still has value within Nolan's Batman series. I don't see how they can credibly explain the Joker's absence from the next film in the series.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that "retiring" the Joker character after Ledger's death would be counter-productive to continuing the story Nolan wants to tell. Ledger's performance is already immortalized, but I would love to see somebody top it.
  • tmccar20 · 9 months ago
    There is no Batman without Joker. Ledger did it right, No matter what happens in the next film everyone is going to compare it to TDK. But if they're going to make something like seven films, then they need joker. Because as far as villains go they're are going through them like two a film. There is going to be a point where clay face and killer croc don't cut in the real world of Nolan's Batman. I think Nolan should wait a film before bringing back the joker, so there won't be as much pressure on the next actor who has to play him because right now in the fan community it almost seems like blasphemy to have someone else play the joker.
  • 790 · 9 months ago
    What if Nolan has cut footage he's going to use as the opening to the next film.
    That new /cut from TDK is Heath Ledger as the Joker in arkam mental hospital.
    ???
  • BATZARRO · 9 months ago
    EFF-no! Look, I understand being a suck up to TDK and Heath Ledger is something many people will still be doing for many years, but they shouldn't and they won't retire the Joker character, at least not on purpose. Sure, we respect the legacy of Heath Ledger but GET OFF HIS BALLS ALREADY!
  • ILRYN · 9 months ago
    that is probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
  • JayJayCAW · 9 months ago
    ....retire the Joker??? Yea ok to those fans who want that, the nut house is 2 miles south......go there......now lol.

    Yes Ledger was an awesome Joker but saying someone else could never live up to his performance is a slap in the face to anyone who 1. has played the Joker in the past and 2. to the many who could if need be take Ledger's place and do either the same or maybe (I said maybe) even better a job
  • TheJokester · 9 months ago
    Terence Howard can play the Joker. I hear he's looking for a superhero sequel to star in.
  • Josh_Radde · 9 months ago
    I could see them stepping away for a different storyline in the next one...like the Riddler or Catwoman or Deadshot...kind of like how the villains come and go on TV and in the animated series. But ultimately the fans will want the Joker back...Batman 4, I see someone being cast as the Joker.
  • jack2jack · 9 months ago
    No doubt, this is foremost on Nolan's plate. How to bring the character back at some point in his series.
  • Aleric · 9 months ago
    Telling Hollywood not to recast a cash cow is like telling a pimp to leave his best whore at home when it comes time to make money. There really is no difference in Hollywood.

    I will use Brandon Lee as an example of this, his greatest role and his last was as The Crow. Did they honor his memory and make it the first and last in the series? Hell no, they ran the franchise into the ground and sucked every penny they could out of it.
  • Bryy · 9 months ago
    The Crow is actually a horrible example, as Lee was the MAIN CHARACTER.
  • Aleric · 9 months ago
    How so??

    Who said it had to be a main character? I put to you that the Joker is better known than The Crow.
  • Bryy · 9 months ago
    Having Lee's figure as the figurehead of that franchise is a bit more disrespectful than having a supporting character come back.
  • Josh Charette · 9 months ago
    I'm, getting sick and tired of people comparing the Jokers. It's a different time, the Joker in the 60's was made for 60's TV, Jack's take was for the 90's mean but still funny, and Heath's take was just sinister, he didn't write his lines he just played the role. enough of this already, and this crap about Mark Hamill's take on the Joker, all he did was the voice on the cartoon not a role in the movies. THE DARK KNIGHT SUCKED BALLS anyway, Heath was the only reason I watched it. BATMAN IS NOT SINISTER.
  • Omek · 8 months ago
    They're going to re-cast for the third movie. Heath gave a great performance, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't couldn't do a good interpretation. I doubt they'll be retiring him any time soon.