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Being here (Here Being Toronto) in September, you're subjected to a lot of this. Everywhere I went, I heard about 'Slumdog Millionare' and how well 'The Wrestler' had been doing in Venice. I used up my tickets watching things like 'Che', which I fell into the hype before realizing it's one of those okay films.
Something deserving of the hype was 'JCVD', which during the festival got some "best film ever" buzz, and though I don't believe that, it was definitely worth a look.
Last night I was actually thinking to myself while watching the movie Boiling Point (no lie), what happened to the late 80's early to mid 90's action movies? I mean there are so many out there, but I never remember hearing much hype about them back when they hit theaters. Yet they are still for the most part entertaining movies, and yes I know that there is a lot of shit ones also.
Still thought it just goes along with the whole concept of this rant of yours. For some reason everyone wants a movie to be the next epic thing, the GREATEST movie of all time. Why? I mean can we not just enjoy a movie for what it is?
Anyways before I go on and on all I'm saying is A+ on this Boiling Point!
Upon TDK's release, loads of people who enjoyed the hell out of it went on that website and rated it a 10. all those who hated it rated it 1. The Godfather "lovers" rated it quite low in a bid to keep The Godfather in top spot. Since when can you rate a movie 1 or 10? every movie has a degree of time, effort, work, and creativity inserted in it..some to a large degree, others to a smaller degree, however to rate a movie as 1 is like saying a big "f**k you" to everyone who worked on that movie. From the stars, to the photographers, directors, producers, audio guys, visual effects etc etc..
Similarly rating a movie 10, like TDK is saying the movie is absolute perfect and it could not have been improved in any way. WRONG! there is always room for improvement.
My point is: IMDB's top 250 is flawed. You cannot use it as a guage to examine movies.
p.s the godfather has been hogging top spot on that list for eons. Anybody else think that movie is a teeny weeny bit overrated?!
Why are you trying to give IMDb credibility? 20% of the greatest movies of all-time haven't come since the year 2000, but IMDb has. To get on the Top 250 list you need to get a certain number of votes, and most people vote on what is coming out the week it's released in theaters/DVD. The movies that are on top of the list (with the exception of TDK) are older, thus people have probably made up their minds about them already. The true test of greatness is if it stays in the collective consciousness over time, not if it resides somewhere in the Top 250 on imdb.com.
little long. What story can't be conveyed in 120 minutes?
Slumdog was ok, but really was it that great?
The Wrestler, I liked the movie, but it should be nominated for special effects,
turning Mickey Rourke into a wrestler.
Love the review. I'd rather a 100 OK movies then 10 "best movie ever" shoved our
way.
Hail Cobra!
That was a terrible fucking movie.
But yes, everything is either the best or the worst. Best thing to do is ignore everyone's opinion altogether unless you respect their individual opinion for some reason or another.
That's what I do.
With that said I apologize to Adriano for expressing my opinion for no reason.
Good day.
What you're saying basically cements my point. People who loved TDK went nuts on it, voting it a 10, even going so far as to vote down The Godfather. Which is another mark in proving that this is a problem of today, not something that has always been there. The very fact that the IMDb top 250 is unreliable is the point - there is no middle ground. People see something and get worked into a frenzy (with the help of the media) and just start to celebrate. I'm sure people were voting TDK a 10 before it came out and I've seen people vote down an Uwe Boll film before it comes out.
That said, Yes, Superman Returns sucked and The Godfather is overrated.
What films do you think are perfectly rated? I'm having a hard time fathoming the notion
that the Godfather is overrated, so I was just curious.
When a movie is said to be perfect, nearly perfect, or one of the all time greats, I think its easy to consider that overrated. Like currently, The Godfather is considered in like, the top 3 of all time greatest movies. If I think it would be more accurately placed at say, 6th or 7th, then its overrated, at least to me. I think the biggest problem comes when a movie is pushed as "one of the greatest" or "the greatest" rather than just being "great."
This line brought me to tears in laughter. Couldn't agree more with ya man.
Why did people say 'The Dark Knight' was better than it really was? Why was it overrated? Sequels usually aren't. Even the soundtrack was overrated. What soundtrack has its own website?! And for anyone who thinks that soundtrack is amazing, didn't they listen to the first one? It's pretty good too.
I can't answer the why question. Maybe it's partly because of the tragic death of Heath Ledger. Maybe the response would have been the same no matter what. Whatever the answer, there's no excuse for it. You could say that there's no harm in it, but I would profusely disagree. It's extremely harmful.
If we start judging movies as either great or terrible with no in between, we start losing the ability to judge what makes films great and what makes films terrible. Suddenly, all the good aspects of films, along with the bad aspects are looked over. Maybe no one does want to watch average movies, but that's what most films are. The fact that some people have lost sight of that fact, does not provide the next generation of filmmakers with any incentive to make a truly deserving great film, when an okay film is good enough to be considered as such.
Good review.
im glad you agree The Godfather is overrated. Too many people and critics (some who havent even seen it yet..yes they exist) tout that movie as the greatest of all time. Im sick of it.
I see your point about IMDB's flawed movie list. I think all movie lists are flawed. Soon as you begin to place a movie on a higher pedestal than others, you're creating a situation where others begin to rate movies, which in turn leads to lists like AFI's movie list & empire's best 250 list etc etc
(for the record, my favourite movie is Bladerunner. It is not the greatest movie of all time. But then again, nor is any other movie)
Plus I must admit that it is not until more recently that I have been going back and watching great movies. I'm talking some classic Brando and Newman films. These are the kind of films that maybe a year or two ago I would never even consider as favorite movies because I never watched them. So at the time if someone said name the best 10 movies I would have not included any of these movies. I think that is what is happening with a lot of younger people now; they don't have a lot of respect or knowledge of movie history. Thus most of these top ten lists (best shootout in a movie, best car chase, best whatever) seem to include only movies from like 1998 to now, like movies never got made before 1998.
I guess what I'm getting at is that some people make way too big of a deal on making movies number 1, like it matters. "Man I'm so cool because I rated TDK a 10 on IMDB, and then gave Godfather a 0." Why in the world would you care that TDK is not higher then The Godfather? It does not make a difference. It is not like if TDK was to be higher rated then The Godfather I would be like "Oh yeah IMDB says TDK is a better movie then The Godfather, well I guess it is then." I would make my own personal opinion about it, not just take other peoples words for it. Oh and TDK is NOT better then The Godfather, sorry.
I have a friend who pretty much hates everything popular, and loves anything that's not. I agree, a lot of crap films, books, etc. get attention when they shouldn't, while a lot of great films, books, etc. go unnoticed. However, this isn't always the case. Sometimes, art gains notoriety because it really is good.
The Dark Knight would be one of those films. No, it's certainly not the second coming of Christ that some made it out to be, however, it IS one of the best films of 2008. (although, it's helped by the fact that this has been an abysmal year for film)
How popular something is shouldn't really even come into the equation when judging it. And just as it makes me angry when people assume if something is unpopular, it's not good... it annoys me just as much when people assume that if it's popular, it must not be good.
That being said, I agree with you that everything is over hyped. I confess that I was amongst those propagating TDK, and even to this day, I really love it and will continue telling people how great it was. But was it the greatest movie ever made, or even the greatest comic book movie? Hell No! For one, I think The Crow was better than it. As for Slumdog, well, after all the hype, I watched it and was like... "OK, nice". I mean, I loved it, but I was underwhelmed after all the hype.