DISQUS

Film School Rejects: Boiling Point: Biased Bloggers & Honest Reviews

  • Tenika · 8 months ago
    I always read you guys reviews and your reviews only. Maybe it's because you can use words like balls and tits that makes me trust your judgement lol. I've always felt like newspaper critics have had an agenda which is why I find the internet (this website in particular) my best source for movie reviews
  • Adam_Sweeney · 8 months ago
    "Maybe it's because you can use words like balls and tits that makes me trust your judgement ."

    If we can reach one person, we have accomplished our goal. Glad you're here to support us, Tenika.
  • Joshi · 8 months ago
    I've said it before and I'll likely say it a few more times, but in this day and age when anyone can have their own blog and write what they like, people who can write fairly unbiased reviews about, well anything, are being extremely saturated. I've seen professional and well respected publications employ a biased view of things, movies or otherwise, when they've built up a reputation of giving unbiased reviews.

    The thing is, people only read reviews for a few specific reasons and when you get right down to it, you'll find that it's almost impossible to eliminate bias entirely and sometimes, people even want it (even if it really shouldn't be found in a critic). Lets focus on movie reviews for now since that's essentially what we're talking about here although I think my thoughts and yours can be attributed to critics of any particular medium or thing (not just the arts).

    If a person reads a movie review before seeing a movie, they either have no clue what to expect and are looking to "professional critics" to, basically give them an idea of the movie, or, they have a fairly good idea of what o expect due to trailers, marketing, hype and so on and simply want confirmation of what they already expected. Now, in the former case, they'll likely want an entirely unbiased review (and unfortunately, likely be given a fully biased one). But in the latter case, if they're the kind of people who go into a movie with a certain expectation (like, for instance, most Watchmen fans went in expecting a truly amazing, groundbreaking movie), then any reviews they read before saying that it was merely a good movie, not Citizen Kane, they'll ignore, and any reviews that came back telling them exactly what they wanted to here (i.e, the biased ones) will be the ones they were looking for.

    Now, I could go into the type of people who read a review after watching a movie, but I think you get the point anyway, since it's pretty much the same, people have made up their own minds and just want reviews to validate their thoughts (and yes, I'm generalizing).

    And what this really comes down to is that people like to be led. I'm not going to go into a rant about how we're all sheep who can't think for ourselves, that would be arrogant on my part. But the fact is, a purely unbiased piece of writing gives us ideas and allows us to come to our own conclusions. A biased piece leads us, it tells us what we should be thinking. And people are more comfortable with the latter than they are with the former. It's a little less scary for us if we find someone else to explain the world to us instead of making up our own minds, we spent a good deal of our childhood listening to other people tell us how the world worked and now we depend upon it, be it through tabloid newspapers or Oprah Winfrey.

    It's not good, but as there is a market for it, people will always be looking for that biased review of that film they really really want to like.
  • Michelle_FSR · 8 months ago
    Well put, Robert. I know that I for one hate the idea of FSR being termed a blog, though I've heard it referred to as such many times over. However there are far too many balanced, objective, well thought out and well researched pieces on this site to ever warrant that term. If people wanted to get an emotional reaction to a movie, there's Rotten Tomatoes or the IMDB approach. A critic's review is far more than just detailing the story, it's noting the storytelling.

    Another place where this is very visible is the TV For Movie Lovers stuff here. I regularly read the reviews for the newest episodes of Lost, BSG, SCC and many others, both here and on a couple of other sites, and I find that reading FSR's version (I'm beginning to sound like I'm spouting propaganda here!) is always better. Rather than just going through the events of the episode, the reviewer discusses the happenings in the context of the bigger picture, not only plot wise but also touching on how it impacts viewers. They don't do it in simplified terms, they don't just state that it was fantastic or that it was terrible, they back it up with arguments and coherent thought.

    Ok, I'm done now.

    w00t go team FSR, u r awesomE!!!11!
  • Larry · 8 months ago
    Read Ebert's review. Unbiased and he loved it without having a reason to. Or take Jeffrey Wells review, a front page ad for idiocy, who also was unbiased and had no reason to like it.

    It can go either way, I saw Watchmen twice and loved it while recognizing the flaws of this theatrical version.

    Personally cannot wait to see the DVD versions. We will get more of that story and fleshing out we were hoping for.

    All said, I still give it a 9/10 for the theatrical run.

    Another point, the movie (like the book) is not catered to idiots.
  • Rob_Hunter · 8 months ago
    Nice read Fure.

    I think it's obvious that online reviewers, fanboy sites in particular, have most definitely treated Watchmen overwhelmingly with a predetermined deference. But as already stated, most of the readers of these sites have the same viewpoint too. The reviews confirm what they already believe.

    And I would argue that reviews by their very nature are opinion pieces.
  • RobertFure · 8 months ago
    Yeah, they're definitely from the viewpoint of the writer, expressing his opinion on the many facets of the film, but once someone starts ignoring flaws their opinion becomes less valid in a way. The audience wants to trust our opinion. Even if the audience wants to love Watchmen, if they can relate to me or you, they're going to want to hear our honest opinion. They're not going to want us to sell them on the film. The response to my Watchmen Review was a good example - a lot of people said the review addressed their concerns and they still made the decision to see it or became more excited to see it.

    I just think that right now there are a ton of examples of people who aren't being honest. They're protecting the film because they want it to do well. Or, there are definitely a few who are giving handjobs to films to appeal to the publicists and get free shit and exclusives. You can tell by our lack of awesome free shit that we are not among that group. We have to steal our stuff like normal criminals.
  • vknyte · 8 months ago
    Actually the best review and most equal on all parts of the film in regards to the viewer as a whole was the one I read on this site...I mean Rotten Tomatos gave a 65% rating before it came out, and that was based on other reviews from other sites..Here's the deal: Now usually when I see a film being reviewed on tv by either the "at the movies" crew or the ex ebert crew ,whatever its called now-I usually take it for what its worth, tv ego...But this week they gave "two thumbs up " for Watchmen, which was the total opposite from what I've read in the papers and online for the exception of this site..Now who do I believe??Personally I believe that certain sites as well as media have a certain need to throw monkey wrenches into a well directed film, quite often.A perfect example, is "Australia", I saw this over the weekend and after tolerating the Oscars this year then seeing this film- I've decided to boycott anything related to the Oscars next year.Now mind you I'm not a Baz Luhrman fan nor a one for Jackman or Kidman.
  • vknyte · 8 months ago
    But the film was pure epic and directed much better than any handful of films I saw last year and it should of been nominated at least in the 5th wheel category of Best Picture..its that good, much better than the reader or ben button..and I believe could of given slumdog a run for its money..But negative press as well as rumours of it being unfinished brought it down faster then the Hindenburg...Maybe the press was expecting another musical???Wtf?Does it matter, just review the movie and keep your personal opinions out of it!!
    Everyone I've talked to over the weekend who have seen Watchmen-love it!!Be it black(I have alot of black friends who love dark shit-gangs etc), white or latino all love the movie and said they'd see it again...
    Which tells me, that most of these reviewers are just not into films as much as they think they are..
    Oh and it helps to see the movie more than once before you write a review too...
  • loquaciousmuse · 8 months ago
    Well said. I find myself guilty of slipping into defending movies more so than reviewing them all the time. Then again, I don't consider myself a journalist and readily admit everything I write is colored with distinctly in my own personal beliefs and impressions. Watchmen especially has caused me to go on the defensive both times I wrote about it on my blog. I'm becoming more and more able to step away and see it for what it is as the days go on, but my personal attachment to the graphic novel has certainly clouded my unbias movie critiquing eyes.

    That being said, I also feel as though in this case, a lot of the print journalists, real journalists, DID go in with a bias. Apparently the critics screening was full of derisive laughter. Both times I say it, the movie was fully respected by its audience with laughter only where there should have been. I just feel like if you come into a movie ready to laugh at what you consider to be corny, you knew ahead of time that you were going to let yourself do that, you know? And to let that happen at a CRITICS screening?! How would that not influence those around you and help form their opinions?

    So I think everyone is guilty of having some sort of a bias in this case. I mean, its Zack Snyder. And it's WATCHMEN.
  • Meli · 8 months ago
    Nice article.
    I kept an eye on reviews over the last week more than normal because I was generaly curious to see how critics were going to feel about Watchmen. I never expected stellar reviews, so I wasn't surprised that a lot of top critics didn't like the movie. I read a few and felt they were generally unbiased, but there were a couple which felt as if they went into the movie ready to hate. One even gave away major spoilers, which was awful, but thank goodness I've already read the comic.
    Often times with genre movies I feel critic reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt. Sometimes the movie turns out to be something they enjoy and other times you can tell it is not their type of movie, but they tried to be fair. The reviews I hate are the ones that tear apart a movie because it doesn't live up to their upper crust standards of what they think is a good movie, film may be subjective, but there is a difference between sounding fair and being mean-spirited. I love it when a critic calls a comic/superhero/fantasy movie unrealistic. Well, no shit.
  • RobertFure · 8 months ago
    One day I'll have to switch my aim and target print journalists. Because a lot of them are dicks that are unfair, just in a different way. They feel free to poop on horror films or anything that isn't artsy enough for them - attacking an easy target is at least as bad, if not worse, as defending a film unjustly.
  • dragonmum · 8 months ago
    This is the only site I get movies news/reviews from, because you guys are geeks just like me. You love comics, you love sci-fi, you love action flicks... where most critics don't. They don't even give it a chance. So why would I listen to someone who thinks I'm silly and/or stupid for loving this stuff?

    As for the journalistic side, yes any review must be as unbiased as possible, but everyone has their own personal ingrained prejudices. You can't help it, it's subconscious. The most you can do is have as open a mind as possible, which every reviewer I've seen here does. But you still come at it from a geek's point of view, which is why I love it.

    Oh and if you want an example of bad journalism, take this bit I read yesterday. It was an article about the sentencing of Karl Bishop, who stabbed & killed Harry Potter actor Rob Knox. Just this one bit really bothered me: "Cowardly Bishop did not return to court to hear other verdicts..." Cowardly? Really? That's supposed to be unbiased journalism? Don't think so.
  • dragonmum · 8 months ago
    Oh, and I love your picture choice. That look just says it all. ;)
  • ACW · 8 months ago
    This article is excellent. The call for unbiased critical responses is long overdue and it is a philosphy I follow when writing reviews and features for my own blog, http://storytellersjournal.wordpress.com/
    I only hope more bloggers who aspire to be respected get the chance to view this article.
  • b13irteen · 8 months ago
    i want to see your desktop pic. sounds awesome
  • Reebee7 · 5 months ago
    I agree, the fanboy review is way biased positively, but I think the critic's review is biased and/or ignorant, perhaps. Joe Morgenstein or whatever his name is called Watchmen "Like the Incredibles, minus the delight." What the fuck? I can't take that review any more serious than, "Omg I came three times while watching, it was so good."