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Great, no Robin... keep the grittiness all the way!
Second, Robin is a solid character in Batman: Dark Victory, and you know it. It COULD be done well. Unfortunately, the bad taste left in our mouths from the TV show and Chris O'Donnell means the stigma will probably ensure that Robin never gets his due.
Besides, you cannot tell me it wouldn't be awesome to have Batman adopt the poor kid, train him, fight along side him, gain a solid attachment, and then have a villain blow up Robin in a factory? Very Awesome? Yes.
I'd like to keep him out of the new franchise because if you introduce Robin, that entire movie basically has to be about Robin and he won't obviously die in that one (it would be too soon) so you get stuck with 2 movies with Robin.
No Boy Wonder for me.
You can also make the film without focusing entirely on Robin. Just create enough of an attachment to him so that when he's blown up in a warehouse, the audience is shocked. Killing off important characters is awesome.
The biggest obstacle is that damned costume.
If Christian Bale is saying he won't do Batman because he fears that it will be the 1998 version of B&R....then I completely understand.....if it's because he thinks it's silly....then I would venture to say he's NOT as intelligent as I believed him to be.....Christian....you're running around in a Bat suit for God's sake! Doesn't matter if you're a great actor....if it were written & filmed poorly......you would suck......simple as that. And that's the bottom line with Robin.....It's THE EXACT SAME THING.....IF DONE AS WELL AS BATMAN BEGINS OR THE DARK KNIGHT......IT WOULD BE AWESOME. But some fans just want to refuse to believe that though......sad thing is....that if WB had the same pesimist attitude as these fans.....Batman Begins or The Dark Knight WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE.
For me the Big 3 has always been Batman, Spiderman, and Superman (although Superman was more fun when I was kid....not as engaging anymore....despite his powers). I've always had favorites taking turns at the number 1 spot......Batman, Spiderman, The Fantastic Four, the X-Men.....but I'd say Batman is probably the one who has hovered at number 1 the most often.....with the exception of Robin (whom I don't consider to be as popular as the Big 3.....but is my all time favorite). The reason I like Robin's whole story is because his origin story makes Batman's origin story resonate even more. The are connected by tragedy...which makes for great story telling. But that won't mean a damn thing if they have another Chris O'Donnel version permeate the Silver Screen. The only thing worse than Chis O'Donnel as Robin was Alicia Silverstone as a blonde Batgirl.....yuck.
And the "original" Robin is never blown up in a warehouse (it's the 2nd Robin...Jason Todd)....he grows up to eventually become Nightwing......a character I've grown to enjoy almost (and pretty damn close at that) as Batman. The Robin costume is also not that big of an issue so long as the greens, reds, and yellows of his Costume are of a dark enough shade......and the yellow has to be on the inside of his cape....while the rest of his cape is black on the outside......the cape worked well in Batman TAS........I believe it would also work well in a live motion picture......Nolan said he needed someone fearless...and that's why he picked Ledger to do the Joker.........can the same be said for Nolan & Bale when it comes to honoring the complete mythos of Batman? Only time.....will truly tell......but it seems unlikely.
Robin can be silly, silly, silly. However, as The Dark Knight Returns demonstrated, he/
she can be essential to the story. Batman's motivation to having Robin is in minor part
to get his ass out of trouble when he gets captured or overwhelmed; but mostly it's
because he knows he is mortal, and that he won't be around forever. The fact that he
is grooming someone to take his place shows the audience that he knows he's just a
man, and can (and will) be killed someday. It would be shortsighted (and self-
aggrandizing in a way) to just fight crime until he dies, with no thought of the future.
Training a replacement shows he wants his fight for justice to carry on after his death,
and that he views his mission as bigger than himself. Take that away, and you take a
lot of stakes for Batman out of the picture. It all depends on how you portray Robin.
Throwing him in there against thugs would be stupid; having him in a safe place
observing and as a backup provides another layer to the story.
ever. but i think its about time to introduce and revamp the Boy wonder, and save him
from the B&R version; and make him bad ass again.
Keep in mind: you cant have NIghtWing with out him becoming Robin first (possible spin
off series)
and also please, preety please fix Batgirl, Commissioner Gordon's Daughter; Barbra
Gordon.
The B&R Batgirl sucked and she was Alfred's Grand niece or somthing. that BLOWS!!!!
i hope they put her in it some how
either way, theres alot of possible storylines for Batman (lets not forget about Batman's
Son = Damian wayne; thats a great story and brings back Rhas al guel, and his daughter.
but still you have to start from begining to tell all those stories, in order for batman and
robin to grow. so Robin is needed, and plus, at this point in the storyline of the dark
knight its needed.
the first one was about becoming batman, and the second one was about the limits and
consequencies about becoming batman are. i cant think of anyother way to improve on
the character of bruce wayne even more than to introduce Robin - Dick Grayson. Read
last halloween and you're understand. plus he doesnt become robin until very late in the
story.