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As much as I can agree that there should be (and should have been) a huge robot vs. human fire fight, it's stupid to limit Connor's role as the leader. I realize that you would foolishly reach around for Christian Bale, but Salvation would have had a ballsy ending by killing him at the end. Plus, his martyrdom works well as a reason for the fight to continue.
Also, canon shows that he dies at a certain point and Kate sends back a T-800 to help them. Unless, you know, you can throw out the prior movies as "an alternate universe" like everyone else.
That's weak ass right there and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bag of dicks.
Re: T3. Connor originally dies in the year 2032, killed by a T-850. That very same T-850 is captured by the resistance and sent back to 2004. That same T-850, in revealing that it killed John in the year 2032 probably gave Connor a heads up to put in his BlackBerry so that later his death is avoided.
What the fallout? Didn't, like, a couple hundred nuclear warheads detonate everywhere - simultaneously?
chuck
1) DON'T ... DON'T KILL JOHN CONNOR. The first 3 movies are dedicated to his survival and it would be a waste and extremely anticlimactic.
2) For ALL that I hold dear and truly care about DO NOT go back in time to 2011! We were all so excited to see the Resistance the way it was and going back to an insignificant period would be purely trisexual.
Jonathan Mostow
Martin Campbell
Kathryn Bigelow
John McTiernan
Any young action director hungry to prove himself like Neil Blomkamp who directed District 9, or Louis Leterrier who did the new Hulk movie.
Or maybe you don't necessarily have to be an action director if you have style, a great eye, or a personal touch. After seeing the trailer to Sherlock Holmes, I wonder if Guy Ritchie would be good for T5. (They picked Branagh for Thor, after all, and Favreau for Iron Man.)
Still can't believe that the fourth Fast & Furious movie made 72.4 in three days while T5 made 65.3 in five.
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chuck
I'm being hard on the movie but they knew the expectations they had to live up to. And did you hear how much noise that submarine was making? they didn't need a signal to home in on. LOL!
All 10 points were right on except I think the models are T-800's and T600's.
I want the lighting and mood like the earlier ones. Why the fuck did they add more silver to the film stock? Watch T1 and T2's future scenes. They are dark, blue, scary, and fucking AWESOME! Thats what i want, that metallic blue look that was prevalant throughout T2 at night, not all of these desert browns that are in all post apoc movies. Make it unique. Make it terminator.
And they def need "Phased-plasma rifles in the forty watt range" and the like lol.
Director: Len Wiseman (Preferebly James Cameron)
Keep Marcus (Bad Ass)
Def more Reese
John Connor... How about an unkown (to the mainstream at least) like Chris Pine or Sam Worthington
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For the sake of his career, he needs to do something LIGHT or something true-to-life, and do it soon, otherwise he's going to be stuck doing 'dark' and moody action films his whole life.
did you see the film?...because Sam Worthington played Marcus so how could he play Connor? they wouldn't recast a lead with an actor who played another character in the same film
I thought McG actually did a really good job with the movie - it had a great look and was technically directed very well. Christian Bale is a great Connor, he just needs to be given a good character arc. The sound mix was unbelievably awesome. It had a lot of great things about it, it just didn't have a script that could hold it together.
So to sum up: you have the makings of a really cool Terminator movie, just give it a good script.
maybe wright and bale could do a "putting on the Ritz" - a la Young Frankenstein!
god knows, they've tried everything else!!
At this point when i walk into the theater, I expect what Batman Begins did after the last few Batman movies, or what the newest Star Trek movie did after nearly everything from Star Trek 5 onward. Maybe my standards are a bit high, but we're in a time in Hollywood land where this is a golden age of spectacular special effects flicks. Did they seriously decide to come in after LOTR, Harry Potter (3 onward), X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Bat-Man, (Tall-Man, Short-man, Fat-Man, sheesh, are there comic books about some other hyphen-man character that haven't been filmed?) and think they could poop on a piece of celluloid and have it pass muster?
Ok, ok, granted, the movie wasn't THAT bad, but it does commit the offense of making me wonder "why bother?" There is nothing sadder than films like Aliens or The Matrix or Star Wars having the life sucked out of them by their own sequels. And it's not like the makers of T4 were simply left with digging Arnie out of the mothballs and have him chase around John Connor in his university days while he's at South Padre on spring break. They had a full story arc that was ripe for mining. From what I saw in this movie, I see John Connor in this movie and think "so what? Is there any reason why he was important enough to be 'terminated' in the distant past when what he does could be adequately performed by somebody else?" Where is that moment like Russell Crowe in "Gladiator" where you buy him being a bad ass that you should listen to? All we get is Bale getting on a radio and rambling something that, if I were listening to at that moment, would have thought he was completely drunk and ignored it as it made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
And instead of investing in the franchise and developing this script and possibly getting a better director so that people would stick around for the next two sequels, they blew their wad.
So many terminators - think of all the merchandising.
All I want from a sequel is a dirty bloody violent movie.
The worst thing about terminators is that they are singularly focused on killing and don't care otherwise. That is scary as shit.
The future gimpses from the first film showed a dark future, always in night, skulls everywhere and broken battles.
There is so much that could have been done with this. Wish the film had been more "children of men" and less "transforminators, pg13 movie in disguise".
- Violence
- Darkness
- Dirt
- Desperation
/please
So this means I have to wait another 10 years for someone to pick it up and hope there is an actor half as competent to play John Connor. Maybe they can get Cameron, by then his Avatar and a few other flops will force him to revisit past films to make a buck.
The movie doesn't actually have to deal with sending anyone back in time, but it NEEDS to be about the development of time travel. Why the big bubble? Why naked? Why living things only? Who developed time travel? A robot with a heart is nice and it's a heavy concept, but the development of time travel is so necessary for this franchise. It's not something that can be glossed over in one or two shots. It requires at least half a movie.
I hope the studios get this team back to work immediately and give me more of the same. I want more Reese, more Marcus, and definitely - more Conner. If this is to be a time travel film - that's fine - maybe it's a war that can be fought on two different fronts. The future and the past - and have two different storylines running simultaneously - like Godfather Part 2. I think i'd enjoy seeing how these past events unfolded to affect our future, with two different stories that share a similar thread. My only concern with sending John into the past - is how would he return to his own present!?
No matter when it happens - so long as i get to see John leading an army against a crap load of T-800s, i'm up for anything. McG - Salvation was great - so much better than Rise of the Machines. Make more Terminators!
I have no idea why some people are thinking it would have been a good idea if they used the original ending of killing John and replacing him with a Terminator. These people are clearly NOT Terminator fans. That's a huge spit into the face of the franchise to even think of such a thing. It screws the entire mythology and history. What would be the point of the series then? It would totally screw the timeline and would kill the series. I also agree that the rumors of John going back in time is a bad idea. Why would we wanna go back? Isn't the point to move forward? I do think they need to start introducing that the machines are developing the time displacement chamber. If they want to do it right, the sequel should take place 10 years later in 2028. The end of the films should be with Kyle being sent back in time to protect Sarah and to continue the loop. That should be a huge dramatic moment if done right. Connor is going to have to resist from telling Kyle that he's his father. At the same time he is going to have to knowingly send him back in time and basically to his death. That should be really dramatic. The 3rd film in this new series, should be about the final battle against the machines in 2032 and Connor's fate. We know from T3 that Connor dies some time close to the end of the war at the hands of a Terminator. Can Connor change his fate or is it inevitable like judgement day?
I also agree that they should stick to the old music theme. Much better than the new one. Elfman did alright otherwise but they gotta stick to traditions musically more. It's like having an Indy movie with out John Williams theme. I don't have much of a problem of Skynet communicating using likenesses of people familiar to Marcus though. Skynet is way beyond the sophistication of any other machine. You would think it would have a more sophisticated way of communication. There has to be a representation of Skynet I think. Something to direct our hate at. If Skynet was faceless and never communicated it would feel less personal.
I just hope that Terminator Salvation makes enough money to make a sequel. Personally, I think it's better than the 3rd film. Of course no where near as good as the first two though. But still it's better than most of the family friendly crap thats coming out lately. It's certainly entertaining. People should go out and give it a chance. You might be surprised.
Cameron told the story he wanted to tell thats it...he ended it beautifully...no need for more.
We all know that the resistance sends back Kyle/Terminators to help Sarah and Jonh in the past. That's why in the future (after Judgment Day happens) the Resistance HAS TO DO THIS to protect the past. So, in a sequel movie, the Resistance would HAVE TO infiltrate a Skynet base with a time machine and send Kyle/Terminators back.
Also, sending back Terminators includes re-programming them, in other words, the Resistance will have to capture them (surely with a hell of a fight at first).
In short... One of the demands above includes lots of Terminators, and the Resistance sending help to Sarah and young John is bound to have lots of fighting scenes. So, time travelling (again, travelling which DOES NOT INCLUDE JOHN CONNOR) will not be so bad after all...
bring back Cameron to rocket the next 2 movies to the moon